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Catholic priests urge Church to reconsider celibacy rules
Australian Broadcasting Co. ^ | January 26, 2005 | Nick Grimm

Posted on 01/26/2005 8:45:26 AM PST by tvn

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To: Lekker 1

Once a priest is defrocked, he cannot be made a priest again.


21 posted on 01/26/2005 9:08:13 AM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d
...it is possible for a celibate man to understand human sexuality more than married people themselves as all truths of the human condition are based upon objective Truths, not subjective experience.

This is akin to saying that someone who has studied ad nauseum from the greatest books about how to ride a bicycle somehow understands better than those who actually ride.

22 posted on 01/26/2005 9:09:37 AM PST by Lekker 1 (A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul [G.B. Shaw])
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To: Phantom Lord
Ya. They should just stick to molesting little boys and covering it up at all levels.

Divorce is an equally horrible perversion of human sexuality, and with many more children scarred by it, and thus married people don't provide much better of an alternative.
23 posted on 01/26/2005 9:09:40 AM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d
Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body demonstrates that it is possible for a celibate man to understand human sexuality more than married people themselves as all truths of the human condition are based upon objective Truths, not subjective experience.

You, sir, are spot-on with that comment.

24 posted on 01/26/2005 9:10:16 AM PST by el_chupacabra (I'm glad you were born.)
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To: Lekker 1

Have you read theology of the body?


25 posted on 01/26/2005 9:10:19 AM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d

Getting a divorce is a worse sexual perversion than molesting children?!?!?!?


26 posted on 01/26/2005 9:10:31 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: mike182d

Slight correction. Not worse, but on par with. Sorry bout that.


27 posted on 01/26/2005 9:11:09 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: mike182d

I agree.

What concerns me is that NO ONE wants to be a Catholic priest in America.


28 posted on 01/26/2005 9:11:29 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Phantom Lord

Theologically, they are equally terrible. Just because one is more widely accpeted doesn't make it less horrendous and devestating.


29 posted on 01/26/2005 9:11:44 AM PST by mike182d
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To: RexBeach

Five of my roommates did, and let me tell you, they were hardcore, on fire, conservative Catholics. None of this "liberal theology" crap :-)


30 posted on 01/26/2005 9:13:11 AM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d

1 Corinthians 7:9
But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


31 posted on 01/26/2005 9:13:17 AM PST by Giliad (I've got a fevah, and the only prescription is more cowbell)
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To: mike182d

May their tribe prosper.

That does not alter the fact that it's mighty slim pickins out there. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.


32 posted on 01/26/2005 9:14:50 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Giliad

You're point being? There's a difference between being weak and not being able to control yourself.


33 posted on 01/26/2005 9:15:16 AM PST by mike182d
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To: NYer; Salvation; Land of the Irish; narses

ping


34 posted on 01/26/2005 9:16:20 AM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: mike182d

All believers are called to be Christlike, not just clergy. Does this mean that all believers should try for celibacy? No. This would violate the Lord's command to "Be fruitful and multiply". Furthermore, the qualifications for ministry as deacon, priest or bishop include being married to one woman and having a good family (1st Timothy 3).

If priests must be single because Jesus was single, then it logically follows that priests must also be Jewish, in their 30's and without higher education.

Rome should seriously look at bringing back (not introducing) the policy still followed in Orthodox churches- that is that married men may become deacons and priests, but deacons and priests may not get married. In another words, the marriage must occur before ordination to the deaconate.


35 posted on 01/26/2005 9:16:26 AM PST by bobjam
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To: RexBeach

There is a severe shortage, I'll agree with you there, but there is much hope to be had. There are many places where admittance to seminaries have increased exponentially. This also happens to be in Dioceses where the theology preached by the Bishop is conservative, in-line with Rome and Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament is lauded (i.e. Archdiocese of Atlanta, Archdiocese of Denver...).


36 posted on 01/26/2005 9:17:34 AM PST by mike182d
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To: bobjam
No. This would violate the Lord's command to "Be fruitful and multiply".

Doesn't Jesus suggestion to be celibate violate the command? Seems we have a contradiction in the Bible...
37 posted on 01/26/2005 9:18:31 AM PST by mike182d
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To: isthisnickcool

Celibacy simply means to not be or get married. Since one should not have sex outside of marriage, as the Church teaches, they are also abstinent (or should be).


38 posted on 01/26/2005 9:18:39 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: mike182d

Control was the problem, was it not? The priests that have caused the scandal obviously burned with passion and didn't control it. Would have been better for them to marry. I doubt there is a priest out there that doesn't suffer destraction because of the desire to have a mate. They'd probably be better priests with a wife there supporting them.


39 posted on 01/26/2005 9:18:42 AM PST by Giliad (I've got a fevah, and the only prescription is more cowbell)
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