Posted on 01/27/2005 3:40:30 PM PST by Wolfie
"In any case, this Court has repeatedly stated that reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment does not require employing the least intrusive means, because "[t]he logic of such elaborate less-restrictive-alternative arguments could raise insuperable barriers to the exercise of virtually all search-and-seizure powers." ´
98 Ed
Good morning Wolfie.
A thought just came to mind. What if someone buys a used car from a dealer that once was owned by a drug user/dealer. You're stopped on the way home and the dog goes ballistic in your backseat. You're guilty, arrested and your "new" car in siezed. You spend thousands in defense to no avail.
Used car dealers should offer a certificate that this car is clean of any drug odors. They would have to hire off-duty drug sniffers to inspect cars before the sale.
The drug war is nothing more than a way of extracting money from the citizens in order to perpetuate thier program. It's all about TAXES!
Just a thought.
When government takes money and assets away from law abiding citizens it is called "taxes". Everybody agrees. When the government takes money and assets away from criminals it is called "fines, forfeitures and seizures" the Dope America crowd calls it "Violation of Constitutional Rights".
Do you even read the questions you answer?
The following is long, and I debated for over an hour whether or not to post it, but it helps to connect a lot of dots for some who are not familiar with what's going on here. If one reads enough of what's here, I believe one will understand how we have been duped. What the stupremes said is unacceptable. Americans have got to be educated if we are to save this country. Somehow, we have got to get more of them involved. I, for one, am getting tired of doing their work.
Someone please tell them what Thomas Jefferson said:
'We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather bed.' [in a letter to Lafayette 2 April 1790).
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'THE FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTS NOT AGAINST VIOLATION OF PRIVACY OR INVASIVENESS, BUT AGAINST VIOLATION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. Since one can't have property rights for illicit drugs, a search can't violate the Fourth Amendment.
Sheer sophistry, with straw man component of property rights. Perhaps we should be glad the Court recognizes property rights in SOME context.
So, using the same principle, an otherwise illegal search of a home that finds, say, stolen goods makes the search legal, since there are no property rights in stolen goods either? What a precedent!
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'THE FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTS NOT AGAINST VIOLATION OF PRIVACY OR INVASIVENESS, BUT AGAINST VIOLATION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS.'
This is a flat out lie, and Stevens and his cohorts are flat out LIEyers, and ABUSING THEIR OATHS OF OFFICE IN PERPETUATING THIS LIE TO EFFECT THE DESTRUCTION OF THESE united STATES AND THE RIGHTS OF THESE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Maybe they think if they repeat a lie often enough, the dumbed down populace will buy it. Well, I'M not buying it! The Fourth Amendment MOST CERTAINLY pertains to PERSONAL RIGHTS and NOT JUST TO PROPERTY RIGHTS, JUST AS SURELY AS THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE SECOND THRU THE 10TH DO, And the Preamble to the Bill of Rights, which SOMEONE has done their very best to erase from public memory, explicitly states that THE PEOPLE ARE SOVEREIGNS and the GOVERNMENT ONLY HAS THE P0WER THE PEOPLE DELEGATE IT [jammer, I know you are aware of this, and I am probably preaching to all the choir, but the rest of this country needs to be awakened to this fact, UNTIL IT SINKS IN]:
THE PREAMBLE TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS
[This is a note to me from Dr. Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation that I am passing along to everyone...
You left off the MOST IMPORTANT PART of the Bill of Rights -- the PREAMBLE which tells SPECIFICALLY that the Bill of Rights was to make sure the government knew it was limited to the powers stated in the Constitution and if it didn't, the amendments were rights of the people the government couldn't screw with.
Our revisionist historians ALWAYS leave this off the Constitution!!!
Here's a copy!!! [SEE ALSO: http://www.harbornet.com/rights/usbor.txt AND http://www.harbornet.com/rights/states.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9526/bor1.html AND The Constitution For The United States, Its Sources and Its ... www.barefootsworld.net/consti10.html - WARNING: This last one often crashes my computer when I have a lot on it, but this guy's article on this used to be my tagline, before one day I switched mid-thread to my current one.)
Effective December 15, 1791
Articles in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
PREAMBLE
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.
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**** The first ten amendments are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". ***** This means they supersede all other parts of our Constitution and restrict the powers of our Constitution. [Wake up, America!]
There are people in this country that do not want you to know that these two sentences ever existed. For many years these words were "omitted" from copies of our Constitution. Public and private colleges alike have based their whole interpretation of our Constitution on the fraudulent version of this text. Those corrupt individuals have claimed that the amendments can be changed by the will of the people. By this line of reasoning the amendments are open to interpretation. This is a clever deception. The Bill of Rights is separate from the other amendments. The Bill of Rights is a declaration of restrictions to the powers of our Constitution. The Bill of Rights restricts the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the powers of government. **** The deception is that the government can interpret the all of the amendments and the Constitution itself. Without the presence of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights this may be a valid argument.
End the deception.....' http://www.harbornet.com/rights/lindat.html
Now this turning the rights of free, sovereign men into civil rights/priviliges governments can USURP, rang a bell with what I had been reading a couple of days ago:
THE ADMIRALTY FLAG
*** What luck for rulers that men do not think.
-- Adolf Hitler
'....What Does The Gold Fringed Flag Signify?
It is commonplace to see a gold-fringed United States flag standing in the present-day courtrooms. Is the gold fringe there for decoration only, or does it signify a certain jurisdiction? Make no mistake about it -- **** THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT ON NOTICE THAT THE NORMAL CONSTITUTIONAL FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED AND THAT THEIR LAND HAS BEEN PLACED **** UNDER MARTIAL LAW.....'
'...History Of The Seizure Laws That Now Ignore Constitutional Safeguards.
Thursday, April 05, 2001, By Jim Welch
I would like to bring up a most important point regarding the application of Admiralty Law against the American people.
An example is the below case. Others occur on a daily basis throughout the United States with every seizure of property without the property owner being charged in any crime. Rather they "charge" the property with the crime and seize the property.
Here is the point. The application of Admiralty Law against the People was one of the main causes of the Revolutionary War. **** The Founders were adamant in their opposition to this practice and there was never any provision for this oppression allowed in the Constitution.
Rather, just the opposite is evidenced by three documents. The Declaration of Independence was actually the third Declaration issued by the Founders. The Declaration of Independence culminated the frustrations of the Colonies **** because Great Britian ignored the pleas to correct the injustices listed in the 2 earlier Declarations. AND BOTH LISTED THE APPLICATION OF ADMIRALTY LAW AGAINST THE PEOPLE AS A GRIEVANCE!
The first Declaration was the, "DECLARATION AND RESOLVES OF THE FIRST CONTINENTAL CONGRESS," October 14,1774.
I wish to underscore the significance of placing this grievance in the FIRST paragraph of this declaration of grievances. In the FIRST paragraph, our Founding Fathers stated:
"Whereas, since the close of the last war, the British parliament, claiming a power, of right, to bind the people of America by statutes in all cases whatsoever, hath, in some acts, expressly imposed taxes on them, and in others, under various pretences, but in fact for the purpose of raising a revenue, hath imposed rates and duties payable in these colonies, established a board, with unconstitutional powers, and extended the jurisdiction of courts of admiralty, not only for collecting the said duties , but for the trial of causes merely arising within the body of a county."
NOTES: The "last war" they are referring to is the "French and Indian War." Please notice the Founder's objection to the extension of Courts of Admiralty. These Courts were to operate on the high seas, and to serve as collectors for duties on imported goods or fees associated with ships as well as administering the "Prize Courts" (the seizure of property). These courts, however, were not supposed to be applied on land against the people. On land, the People were to be served by "Common Law." They were never supposed to be used "for the trial of causes merely arising within the body of a county."
Great Britian ignored the first declaration, and so the following year, the Founders went on to again bring up this grievance in the second declaration issued on July 6, 1775. This Declaration is known as, "THE DECLARATION OF THE CAUSES AND NECESSITY OF TAKING UP ARMS."
In this declaration the Founders state:
"THESE DEVOTED COLONIES WERE JUDGED TO BE IN SUCH A STATE, AS TO PRESENT VICTORIES WITHOUT BLOODSHED, AND ALL THE EASY EMOLUMENTS OF STATUTEABLE PLUNDER." (...NOTE: Please understand the preceeding sentence. **** Today is a carbon copy repeat of this philosphy of government****)
"The uninterrupted tenor of their peaceable and respectful behaviour from the beginning of colonization, their dutiful, zealous, and useful services during the war, though so recently and amply acknowledged in the most honourable manner by his majesty, by the late king, and by parliament, could not save them from the meditated innovations.
Parliament was influenced to adopt the pernicious project, and assuming a new power over them, have in the course of eleven years, given such decisive specimens of the spirit and consequences attending this power, as to leave no doubt concerning the effects of acquiescence under it.
They have undertaken to give and grant our money without our consent, though we have ever exercised an exclusive right to dispose of our own property; statutes have been passed for extending the jurisdiction of courts of admiralty and vice-admiralty beyond their ancient limits; *** for depriving us of the accustomed and inestimable privilege of trial by jury [ASSET SEIZURE AND FORFEITURE LAWS TODAY], in cases affecting both life and property; for suspending the legislature of one of the colonies; for interdicting all commerce to the capital of another; and for altering fundamentally the form of government established by charter, and secured by acts of its own legislature solemnly confirmed by the crown; for exempting the 'murderers' of colonists from legal trial, and in effect, from punishment; for erecting in a neighbouring province, acquired by the joint arms of Great-Britain and America, a despotism dangerous to our very existence; and for quartering soldiers upon the colonists in time of profound peace. It has also been resolved in parliament, that colonists charged with committing certain offences shall be transported to England to be tried. But why should we enumerate our injuries in detail? By one statute it is declared, that parliament can of right make laws to bind us in all cases what so ever. What is to defend us against so enormous so unlimited a power?"
Please once again notice the position in their list of grievances where the Founders place this policy of "...extending the jurisdiction of courts of admiralty ...." They placed this grievance BEFORE objecting to not having a trial by jury, BEFORE the suspension of one of the legislatures of one of the Colonies (equal to suspending the legislature of one of our States), BEFORE their complaint of the central government (Great Britain) changing the very system of our government, and even BEFORE complaining that the central government was "...exempting the 'murderers' of colonists from legal trial...!"
Indeed, *** the Founders strenuously objected to applying Admiralty Law against the people!
The third proof is found in the Constitution itself, in the Bill of Rights. ******* The FOURTH AMENDMENT guarantees, "The Right of the People to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; ...."
And the 5th Amendment states, "No person shall...be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of Law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."
Just what kind of Law does the Constitution refer to, when it speaks of the people being subjected to?
The 7th Amendment gives that answer.
It says, "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed 20 dollars, the Right of trial by jury shall be preserved; and no fact, tried by a jury shall be reexamined in any Court of the United States than according to the rules of the Common Law."
Please note it does not leave any wiggle room. The Law we are to be subjected to in any controversy exceeding 20 dollars is the Common Law! NOT ADMIRALTY LAW!
***** And, YES!, this abridgment of our Liberties is as serious today as it was in 1775!
Copyright (C) 2001 Freedom.org........
Admiralty Flag - two governments
Liberty Electronic Press -- News Release
What you are about to learn here may be shocking to you so be prepared to learn what most Americans don’t know. First of all there are TWO different American Flags.
The most common one you all have seen and recognize. It’s Old Glory with the Stars and Stripes as you most commonly see displayed outside homes, offices and the Post Office.
It is the Flag of "The Republic united States of America". **** The lower case u in the word united, is proper, and is as written in "The Declaration of Independence".
Our other American Flag is just the same as Old Glory accept it has a yellow fringe around it. This flag is an Admiralty Flag and is usually displayed indoors in government offices and many court rooms. Just as there are two different American Flags there are two different American Governments. I’m not referring to political parties.
The two governments are: "The Republic united States of America", flying Old Glory and "The [district] United States of America" flying Old Glory with the yellow fringe, or the.
**** "The Republic united States of America" gives you RIGHTS and The Constitution of the United States.
"The [district] United States", gives you PRIVILEGES such as allowing you to sell or deal in Alcohol, Tobacco and fire arms and to own a corporation. All Americans that work for the government, whether it be Federal, State, County or City or live or work on government land such as Washington, D.C., Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands and other ceded lands are under the jurisdiction of "The [district] United States" and the Admiralty Flag.....' [Read the entire article here: http://www.restoringamerica.org/flags/admiralty_law.html ]
It continues here:
Ways Admiralty Law Continues To Impact Our Lives
http://www.restoringamerica.org/flags/admiralty_impact.html
Other Reading:
U.S.A. The Republic, Is The House That Nobody Lives In
A detailed study as to how Congress used the 14th Amendment to replace our Republican form of government with a Democracy. This Treatise also details how the 14th Amendment was used to make everyone "property" of the United States that Congress can regulate under U.S. Const., IV:3:2.
The Day Our Country Was Stolen
Most Americans would agree that we, as a people, are treated by our public servants -- the judges, politicians, law enforcement and bureaucrats who are paid their salaries by our taxes -- as if we were in complete bondage to them. When we joke about being slaves to the Government, we don't realize that we are exactly correct, joke or not. Read on to see how our country was stolen!
Amendment - Law or Contract
How did we move from the "Common Law" where we are innocent until proven guilty and into the "Roman Civil Law" where we must prove our innocence before government agencies? This Treatise shows us how the 14th Amendment was used (as a Contract) to move the people out from under the Common Law and into the Roman Civil Law.....
THERE IS NO 14TH AMENDMENT....[It was never legally ratified!] [Furthermore, one section DISTINCTLY conflicts with the Bill of Rights' First Amendment RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND THE RIGHT TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT, saying that 'the validity of the (fraudulent!!!! - just made me a 'terrorist' in saying this) NATIONAL DEBT CAN NOT BE QUESTIONED'. The American people were declared 'enemies of the state' in 1933, the state being the BANKRUPT CORPORATION KNOWN AS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The Supremes and other judges are just administering the bankruptcy for our slavemasters. See: http://www.apfn.net/DOC-100_bankruptcy.htm ]
Restore the Government
This may be the most important article that you have ever read! It deals with your legal status that determines whether you have unalienable rights or just corporate granted privileges. Most Americans think that they have unalienable rights protected by the Constitution. They also think that when they vote they are in fact electing officials to manage their government under Constitutional principles. Most people think that lawyers and judges practice law under a judicial system. Most people think that the government has no boundary. Well most people have relied upon government controlled schools and the media for their information and they have been misinformed!....' ****Some of the articles in the INDEX - 14TH AMENDMENT (also known as the 'RED' AMENDMENT) http://usa-the-republic.com/amendment_14/Index.html
***** Quote: We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we [ the CFR ]need is the right major crisis and the nation[s] will accept the New World Order. End Quote. David Rockefeller: Founder and Honorary Chairman, Council of the Americas; Chairman, Americas Society; Founder, Forum of the Americas; Chairman, Emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations [CFR]; Founder
and Honorary Chairman, Trilateral Commission [TC]; Chairman, The Bilderbergs. ***** [ How does the 11 Sept 2001 attack upon our country figure
into this? CLMsr ] THE BANKRUPTCY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.apfn.net/DOC-100_bankruptcy.htm
HOW? HOW???
Well, since the ROTHSCHILDS (one of the main owners of the 'FEDERAL' 'RESERVE' along with the ROCKEFELLERS and the *** GOLDMAN SACHS, SACHS having tens of billions of dollars in gold bricks THAT WERE REMOVED FROM THE TRADE CENTER EARLY ON THE MORNING OF 911 BEFORE THE PLANES HIT), declared that they would DESTROY AMERICA a LONG TIME AGO, and SINCE THE ROTHSCHILDS AND THEIR COHORTS HAVE INSTIGATED AND FINANCED EVERY OTHER WAR THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN, STARTING WITH THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR [THEY ALSO FINANCED THE FRENCH REVOLUTION], I'D SAY IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!
EXCERPT FROM THE ROTHSCHILD DYNASTY
'.....ROTHSCHILDS AND AMERICA
It would be extraordinarily naive to even consider the possibility that a family as ambitious, as cunning and as monopolistically minded as the Rothschilds could resist the temptation of becoming heavily involved on the American front.
Following their conquest of Europe early in the 1800s, the Rothschilds cast their covetous eyes on the most precious gem of them all -- the United States.
America was unique in modern history. **** It was only the second nation in history that had ever been formed with the Bible as its law book. Its uniquely magnificent Constitution was specifically designed to limit the power of government and to keep its citizens free and prosperous. Its citizens were basically industrious immigrants who 'yearned to breath free' and who asked nothing more than to be given the opportunity to live and work in such a wonderfully stimulating environment.
The results -- the 'fruit' -- of such a unique experiment were so indescribably brilliant that America became a legend around the globe. Many millions across the far flung continents of the world viewed America the Beautiful as the promised land. [And I strongly share that view - See Psalm 2, for example.]
**** The Big Bankers in Europe -- the Rothschilds and their cohorts -- viewed the wonderful results borne by this unique experiment from an entirely different perspective; they looked upon it as a major threat to their future plans. The establishment Times of London stated: "If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. ***** THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE DESTROYED OR IT WILL DESTROY EVERY MONARCHY ON THE GLOBE."
The Rothschilds and their friends sent in their financial termites to destroy America because it was becoming "prosperous beyond precedent."
The first documentable evidence of Rothschild involvement in the financial affairs of the United States came in the late 1820s and early 1830s when the family, through their agent Nicholas Biddie, fought to defeat Andrew Jackson's move to curtail the international bankers. The Rothschilds lost the first round when in 1832, President Jackson vetoed the move to renew the charter of the 'Bank of the United States' (a central bank controlled by the international bankers). In 1836 the bank went out of business.
PLAN OF DESTRUCTION.....' www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm
SEE ALSO BILLIONS FOR THE BANKERS, DEBTS FOR THE PEOPLE (Thankfully, LOTS of websites have picked this up!) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=+billions+for+bankers+debts+people+rothschild+destroy+america
I just ran across this excellent article as well:
THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY.
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. Today however, the FED, which is a privately owned company, controls and profits by printing money through the Treasury, and regulating its value.
The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. **** The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).....'
It goes on to explain that (and I had heard this once or twice before and lost track of it) that the Federal Reserve Act stipulates that the Federal Reserve can be bought back by the American people for $450 million dollars. Since the Fed is a private corporation that has never been audited OR paid taxes, I think both of these are in order, and that back taxes and penalties should take care of these bandits, and restore freedom to America. There is a proposal for a petition and a TEA BAG revolt in this article as well. Please read. The Federal Reserve is PRIVATELY OWNED http://www.worldnewsstand.net/today/articles/fedprivatelyowned.htm
I also think they need to be sued for all the damages they have caused this country, starting with all the wars they have foisted on us. Then their co-conspirators in the government need to be removed from office and prosecuted, as well. NO RETIREMENT BENNIES FOR TRAITORS. [BTW, are you aware while our children are told they cannot pray, or sing Christmas carols, or hand out candy canes with Bible verse, etc. in school, to the cries of 'separation of church and state', and while every other religion is given protected minority status and is celebrated in the schools, our Supreme Court justices hosted a dinner for the establishment of the new Talmudic Institute in DC, AT THE SUPREME COURT where Talmudic Law was extolled over our own judicial system based on the Bible? And that our Congressman held a luncheon in the Senate Dirksen Office Building where Sun Yung Moon was crowned the Messiah with great pomp and ceremony? Can it be any more clear that MANY of our elected and appointed modern 'royalty' give lip service to the people they are supposed to serve, but simply oppress? Can it be more clear that while they allow our country, our freedoms, and our Christian heritage to be run into the ground with uncontrolled immigration by hostile persons, that the war on terror is just a cover for their war on Americans? Or can it be any more clear that where America gave safe harbor, freedom, good will, and tolerance to so many, our reward has been to have our 'tolerance' seized upon as a weapon to club us into the ground?]
There is a lot more to this whole sordid story. The Banksters are only a large part of it. Unbelievable, but true, the United States has remained a colony of the British Monarchy and most likely the Vatican [and its proxies, Judges 18:19], for 400 years. [BTW, a lot of our Presidents have been related to each other, and to the European monarchies.):
Returning to the Admiralty Flag, and scrolling down to 'Further Evidence....Social Security':
'....Because use of his fiat money is a benefit, supplied by the king's bankers; it [property in America] all transfers back to the king. The king's claim to the increase in this country comes from the original Charter of **** 1606. But, it is all hidden, black is white and white is black, wealth is actually debt and financial slavery.....'
[See also THE US IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY - THE VATICAN CONNECTION] This of course, is to me, clearly prophetic. Remember that we were ONLY THE SECOND NATION IN THE WORLD WITH THE BIBLE AS ITS LAW BOOK. Furthermore, this country was founded with a cross at Cape Henry in *** 1607, and a dedication of this country to the spreading of the gospel. As Christians are the Israel of God [See Galatians 3 and 4], so I believe that America is the prophetic Mt. Zion of Psalm 2. Therefore, I believe that God does not intend for us to remain slaves to the Banksters, the British Monarchy, or the Vatican [and all their proxies, Judges 18:19] for ever. It is time to wake up this people, against the tyranny of the aforementioned and also against the tyrannical judges and their cohorts in government. It is time to take back our country.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/5/1.html
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/23/4.html
Thanks for taking the time to read this rant.
'The domestic "War on Terror" is assuredly a joke'
I've known that since moments before the Pentagon was hit, but then I had known it was coming since June 2001.
'The problem is that Hom3Lamerz Security and the War on (some) Drugs makes the idea of risking one's life for this supposed "freedom" a joke, too. What sane person would sent his child to war for the sake of a government that will break down your door on the say-so of a dog?'
It seems the fine line between illusion and reality is being crossed, and more and more people are coming to that conclusion, as well, and as they do, the pressures will increase, on us as well as them.
I enjoyed your posts. Thanks.
'I've known that since moments before the Pentagon was hit, but then I had known it was coming since June 2001.'
Homeland SSecurity, let me save you some time: I READ ABOUT IT. Lyndon LaRouche, that nutty exposer of the British Monarchy.
bttt. I had heard about the 2 flags before, but never researched. Excellent post. Thank you.
Claire Wolfe just called.
Catch 22.
Since our government has decreed that they can declare most anything "illicit", -- one obviously has virtually no property rights.
"A search for illicit property can't violate the Fourth Amendment" is sheer idiocy: -- illogical thinking enshrined in legalistic sounding BS.
It's nearly time.
8 jones
To be fair, the military may designate the fringe (I don't have time to search their regs), but some of the other citations appear spurious also. I'm skeptical on this one.
Accoding to some sites that have info on flag etiquette, fringe is to be used only indoors, and that it signifies nothing more than a ceremonial event. Not very surprising one would find it in a courtroom, or in a military meeting room. Obviously, you don't see it on outdoor flag poles in the military.
There are much more concrete reasons to suspect that we are under a state of national emergency and that, in fact, the Constitution has been reduced to asswipe than fringe on a flag.
Agreed.
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