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Suspect named in slaying Police believe man fled to Mexico
Chicago Tribune ^ | January 28, 2005 | David Heinzmann and Jamie Francisco

Posted on 01/28/2005 9:08:26 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

Chicago police are trying to locate a man in Mexico they believe killed 21-year-old Melissa Dorner, a North Side restaurant hostess who lived in the building where he had been staying.

An arrest warrant has been issued for Roberto Ramirez, 24, whom detectives identified as a suspect after his roommates said he was bloodied and scratched and had told them he had done something "bad" before disappearing Sunday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; chicago; crime; immigrantlist; mexico; murder
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1 posted on 01/28/2005 9:08:27 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Ah, the registration to read this article stinks. Can you give us a couple more pertinent lines?


2 posted on 01/28/2005 9:15:35 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

She was one of several women attacked (though not raped in her case) in a spree of rapes/attacks in that part of Chicago. She helped identify a person named Mario Villa in those attacks. And now this happened to her.


3 posted on 01/28/2005 9:39:25 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
He is believed to be in Mexico, police said. Police believe they know where he is but have not apprehended him, spokesman David Bayless said. If Ramirez is taken into custody, he could be difficult to extradite, because of the possibility that he would face the death penalty, Bayless said.

Dorner, who grew up in Evanston, moved into the building in September. She had previously been one of many victims of a North Side serial rapist who broke into the apartments of at least six women and sexually assaulted them.

4 posted on 01/28/2005 9:46:33 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

They try to blame it on the death penalty, but Mexico has a Constitutional provision that bans extradition of any Mexican.


5 posted on 01/28/2005 9:55:19 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan; mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ...

Thanks for this link to the same story:

An arrest warrant issued Thursday identified the suspect as Roberto Ramirez, 24, whose last known address was 6151 N. Winthrop Avenue. Police said the man may have fled to his native Mexico. Ramirez is accused in the beating and strangulation death of Dorner, 21. He lived in a fifth floor apartment. Dorner lived on the 10th floor. Her murder was discovered on Monday.

“My understanding is he was not on the lease and that he was a guest,” said Alan Didesch, a representative for the building’s landlord, Wilmette Leasing Co. “The individual who committed this heinous act was in the building by the invitation of another tenant. The security was more than adequate, there’s no evidence the security system was inoperative or breached,” he added.
Dorner’s killing is the second in the building in the last two months. Building janitor, Petrit Turkesi, 51, Skokie, was beaten to death and robbed December 8 in the laundry room of the high rise. His killer has not been caught. --snip

http://www.wbbm780.com/includes/news_items/news_items_more.php?section_id=9&id=9256


6 posted on 01/28/2005 9:55:23 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
Remember, no speculation as to Mr Ramirez' residency status.

Eyes are watching, watching...

7 posted on 01/28/2005 10:04:34 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Brilliant

I'm positive I recall a TV show over a year ago, about a bounty hunter who went into Mexico and retrieved "clients". If it was my daughter murdered, I'd be hiring the guy.


8 posted on 01/28/2005 10:15:03 AM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: holyscroller

That was "Dog" Chapman, if I remember correctly. He got in a bunch of trouble in Mexico, they did not like him coming to "their" territory. They threw him in jail, I think.


9 posted on 01/28/2005 10:20:22 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: holyscroller

Yeah, it was that guy who now has the TV show. Forget his name. They call him "Dog." He was arrested because bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico. That was a little different, though. The guy he was hunting was not a Mexican citizen. Mexico would have extradicted him, if they'd been able to get their hands on him, and the cops were not on the take.

You only are exempt from extradition if you are a Mexican citizen.


10 posted on 01/28/2005 10:23:42 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
You only are exempt from extradition if you are a Mexican citizen.

Are you sure? I thought anyone who faces the possibility of execution was exempt fm extradition in Mexico...

11 posted on 01/28/2005 10:26:48 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: gubamyster; Happy2BMe; JustAnotherSavage; All
So many lives destroyed, because our government refuses to protect us. I have friends whose son was murdered some years back in AZ. Shot in the chest during a robbery while working at his job, by a gang banger who escaped back across the border. He was never brought to justice.

Another friend whose son was badly injured by a hit and run driver, last year while on the job doing highway paving work in Scottsdale, AZ.... Guess what? Driver was an illegal alien. Now he's semi-crippled for life. And so it goes....

CRIME VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

12 posted on 01/28/2005 10:27:18 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Brilliant

Our local DA had to negotiate a deal with the Mexican govt. on an extradition back in 1996, or 97. Perhaps it's changed since then.
Mexico was refusing to extradite two local thugs who shot a couple on our beach in Seaside, Oregon.

As I recall; the DA had to take the death penalty off the table before they would extradite these guys.

It was a point blank "thrill kill". I believe it made national headlines.


13 posted on 01/28/2005 10:35:27 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: skeeter

Oh. That might be, although I don't think it's so much a law as it is a policy. My point, though, is that you can't get extradicted for not paying your traffic tickets if you're a Mexican citizen. There is a constitutional provision banning extradition of citizens.

The death penalty point is somewhat ironic, though, inasmuch as Mexico law does itself in some instances allow the death penalty. I believe that they are considered to have banned it because those circumstances are so rare. However, there are supposedly some instances where it can be invoked.

I think the guy the Dawg tracked down was a rapist, if I'm not mistaken.


14 posted on 01/28/2005 10:37:22 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: FBD

Maybe they weren't Mexican citizens. My understanding is that the Mexican constitution bans extradicting Mexican citizens.


15 posted on 01/28/2005 10:39:07 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: FBD

BTT

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http://resultsforamerica.org/survey.html

According to the poll, 43 percent of voters listed border defense and homeland security as their No. 1 choice when asked about the highest military or foreign priority of the federal government.


16 posted on 01/28/2005 10:42:24 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: FBD
So many lives destroyed, because our government refuses to protect us. I have friends whose son was murdered some years back in AZ. Shot in the chest during a robbery while working at his job, by a gang banger who escaped back across the border. He was never brought to justice.

You bet. The Congrees, the Senate and this administration have blood on their hands from many.

All for the love of money and profit margins of greedy employers.

17 posted on 01/28/2005 10:49:58 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: FBD

Similar thing just happened in the DFW area. Restaurant owner was kidnapped and killed. One of the perps was captured in Chicago the other is in Mexico.


18 posted on 01/28/2005 10:52:02 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Brilliant; Joe Hadenuf; ladtx; JustAnotherSavage; Happy2BMe
"Maybe they weren't Mexican citizens."

-They weren't. In this case; they were local punks. They shot this couple point blank in the heads. It was a "thrill kill." But Mexico still would NOT extradite them, unless our DA agreed to take the death penalty off the table.
The girls dad was devastated. I know him, ( he is our local pet veterinarian.) Here's the details:


http://www.oregonlive.com/special/oregonian/index.ssf?/special/oregonian/morris/0111_attys.htm "...Thrill-killer Bradley Price"

"Price and Jesse Carl McAllister, 21, were charged with two counts of aggravated murder in the shooting deaths of two people on the beach near Seaside in July 1997.

Police arrested Price in Mexico a year later. He had been working as a bartender and stripper at a Mexico City nightclub. Prosecutors waived the death penalty to get Mexico to extradite Price. He was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility for parole.

"They won a small victory in not having him sentenced to life without parole," Marquis said.


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19 posted on 01/28/2005 11:05:00 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
>"All for the love of money and profit margins of greedy employers."<


Their were several murders that week in Phoenix, all believed to have been gang related.

As to my friend's kid who was working on the highway construction job? He was working (under the table) for an illegal alien from Canada.
The illegal alien was subcontracting his flagging business to a utility company, and he wasn't paying any workmen's comp, etc.
So not only was he NOT able to collect from the illegal alien who hit him (no auto insurance), he wasn't able to collect from the illegal alien who was employing him!

His comment after the accident to a couple people was: "Well, I guess I'll be sent back to Canada."

But guess what?
Somehow the guy is still doing business in AZ! I have no idea how he managed that one. Yet he hasn't paid one dime to helping this kid...meanwhile, my friends kid just had his umpteenth surgery...
20 posted on 01/28/2005 11:29:12 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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