Posted on 01/30/2005 11:35:29 AM PST by baseball_fan
… Hillary Clinton, engaged in …God-drenching ...fundraiser organised by the Reverend Eugene Rivers…She lavished praise on faith-based organizations…
...Clinton's speech was part of a growing debate on the left about how to close the God gap. Democrats want to change the focus of religious debate from abortion and gay marriage to, say, war and poverty. ...
…Hillary told …pro-choice activists not only that abortion represents “a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women” but also that “religious and moral values” are the primary reason why teenage girls abstain from early sexual activity.
…more proof of Mrs Clinton's political maturity and ambition. But do the Democrats have a prayer of recapturing the religious vote? The optimists argue that they have both history and public opinion on their side. Look at history, and you can see the religious left at the heart of America's great social-reform movements …latest Pew poll shows that roughly six in ten Americans want politicians to make helping the poor and needy a top priority…just one in four …banning gay marriage. …
…plausible until you take a look at today's religious left. … split by race. The black churches …impact is necessarily limited. The white churches …suffer from …European problem: …haemorrhaging members …run by an unrepresentative elite that is far to the left…
… religious left is divided in almost every other way …
… Democrats …deeply divided about what winning the religious vote means…
…biggest problem for the Democrats is that many of their hard-core supporters would rather lose another election than court the religious vote…
...does not mean that Mrs Clinton is wrong to try to recharacterise her party—and herself. …coming battles over gay marriage and the Supreme Court will surely harden divisions…Mrs Clinton is heading down the right path…a rocky one.
(Excerpt) Read more at economist.com ...
Jeeze! Give me a break! She will stand up and lie about anything to accomplish turning us into a socialist nation.
It's simple. She'll just lie the way she always has. Our job is to make the people realize that she's lying. Once in the White House, she'll revert to her socialistic/communistic roots.
Hillary Clinton On The Record:
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)
Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Hillary will have to be on the front of this argument with the President in order to position herself for either the Senate race in 2006 or the Presidency in 2008. This will place her in the position of having to argue against restrictions on abortion, and will show her as a rabid supporter for a procedure that many people do not think is acceptable anymore.
Ping to self for later pingout.
The thing is, when they court the religious vote, they look so silly that they are bound to lose anyway.
Arm yourself with the facts:
Hillary's mentor - ( about whom whe wrote her college thesis) - Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).
....Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. ...
.....Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”
The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states “that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means.”
Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated. ....
The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a ‘great creator’, to play God.”
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Alinsky-SaulRef.html
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Sojourners Magazine March/April 2000 issue Editor: Jim Wallis
Saul Alinsky Goes to Church
Faith-based community organizing is taking off---with benefits for both community and church.- by Helene Slessarev
The origins of community organizing are generally traced to the pioneering work of Saul Alinsky, who built the first community organizing effort in Chicago’s Back of the Yards neighborhood in the 1930s. Alinsky created the early community-based efforts by organizing existing groups into collective action around particular issues.
Today many communities are much less cohesive, so it is necessary to build relationships first and then take on issues that grow out of those stronger bonds. In poorer communities, churches are often experiencing the same loss of cohesiveness as they struggle to survive in an increasingly barren environment. Thus, organizing becomes a means for such congregations to reconnect with their own members and with the broader community around them. ..... [snip]
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=Soj0003&article=000311
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Book: The Religious Left - Who they are and what they believe - by Dr. Ronald H. Nash, PhD.
http://www.kfuo.org/ie_main.htm has the audio of an interview with Ron Nash. On right side of page, click on October 2004 Scroll down to October 11.
No, she can't.
The socialist media already tried to pawn off their 60s radical idiot as a pro-American soldier and patriot. It didn't work. And now Hillary has started her propaganda campaign four years before the election. It won't work, either.
The socialist media can't run and they can't hide. And they can't rehabilitate another 60s radical as a moderate political figure.
Hillary will not have to 'reprioritize' anything. She is and will RHETORICALLY position herself as a moderate. Her senate colleagues (including the Republicans - like Lott, McCain, Sununu, Snowe, Chaffee, etc.) will (and some Republicans already have) comment how she has 'matured' and 'moved to the middle.' The media will swoon, female groups will rave how she is SUCH a leader and role model. There will be story after story after story about her heroic accomplishments, decsions and influence. There will be total amnesia from the MSM about her past deeds, statements and positions.
The Hollyweird, MSM and money supporting Kerry will look like peanuts when you compare it to what will be done to elect her.
The support for this woman is irrational, unnatural and incredibly deep and wide. Anyone who thinks defeating her will be easy is delusional. The campaign has already started.
Sorry Ms. Clinton, you can adopt any pose you wish, but it is the real person, with real convictions and beliefs the American voter wants in leadership. Ms. Clinton brings to the table Total Government for the people – another Democratic proponent for cradle to grave entitlements far beyond what a responsible and productive society needs. Ms. Clinton doesn’t see it that way at all – with Ms. Clinton it is A priori. A Marxist beginning; a Marxist middle and a Marxist at heart, now in the “more mature” Ms. Clinton…
Ms. Clinton is simply too Ethically Challenged to seek the People’s House as was John Kerry.
Thank you for your reply,
Regarding: "will show her as a rabid supporter,"
I think her strategy will be not that she has to win the entire pro-life vote, but that she has to win or neutralize enough of this issue such that she is not seen to the left of say a Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who is hardly considered left generally) and use the other issues - health care, poverty / economic opportunity, educational opportunity - to try and put herself in the lead (just a political calculation here, not moral) and win enough of the religous vote.
Her terms "sad, tragic" are geared towards a message of saying if you really care about women's lives and their offspring, addressing these "moral" issues will do more to reduce abortion than focusing on the legal aspects which would only push it back into a black market (like drugs, prohibition).:
"[Kay Bailey] Hutchison supports allowing a woman to make a choice about abortion until the unborn baby is viable outside the womb"
source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1321448/posts
or as was earlier posted on Hillary's record:
"Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)"
She has such high negatives, it is hard to imagine she can pull it off, but like the article says I would look to see her move her party and herself somehow in that direction.
She may have been able to get away with that in the year 2000, but by now, everyone knows the 'life of the mother' provision, especially in late term abortions is a fraud because if a woman's life is in danger, you don't want to wait the 24 yrs. necessary for the PBA, you do something about it NOW. They also know that the 'health of the mother' provision is a cop out, and means abortion for any reason whatsover.
Over 75% of the people in this country are against partial birth abortion, so she would have to do some tall justifying to them about why she still supports it.
She has got you fooled.
Ms. Clinton is in fact, an enigma, a media myth, the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing
Didn't she make some off the wall remark about President Bush being a 'born again Christian'? Lately, she surely is one.......Ms. Clinton will go to where ever she thinks the votes will come from, it goes no deeper than that.
You might be interested enough to do a little research. (Alamo-girl)
I can't stand her, and I will be one of the many people reminding the public about her criminal past if she plans on running a presidential campaign. If you read between the lines in her record, she's a flip flopper in the making.
Buffalo, NY -- Feb 2000 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton began the first day of her official Senate candidacy by saying she would put an abortion litmus test on judicial nominees for the U.S. Supreme Court.
In an interview with the Associated Press, the first lady said voting for a nominee with pro-life views would be unthinkable. "I can't imagine I would vote to confirm such a nominee," the pro-abortion First Lady said.
Mrs. Clinton's expected Republican opponent, New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who also is pro-abortion, said Sunday he would not rule out backing a judge with pro-life views.
Clinton also implied that Giuliani could not be trusted not to flip-flop on abortion once in the Senate. "I've seen it time and time again people who claim to be independent, all of a sudden vote with the Republican leadership because if they don't, they don't get support raising funds for their campaigns, they don't get the committee assignments that they want," she said.
Now that is calling the kettle black. Ms. Clinton is reputed to pull all the strings on her side of the asile...you don't go against Ms. Clinton's wishes.
The answer is NO! The reason is - as a Christian - I can tell if people have a sincere relationship with Christ. If people don't have a relationship with Christ - and they try to pose as having that relationship - they will be exposed as phoney!
Maybe some people will fall for it - but I sure wouldn't. My concern is the Catholic democrats who will be susceptible to Hillary's trickery.
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