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1 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:03 AM PST by Gypssy
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3 posted on 01/31/2005 8:45:50 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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Very sad story.

If it helps, I think there is a good chance they will grow out of this. The tide of history has changed. I do not believe that any intelligent person can watch freedom and democracy and peace spread around the planet without wondering "Why does my side always lose? Why does life get better in those parts of the world where my side loses? Could my side be wrong?"

4 posted on 01/31/2005 8:48:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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Yes, they have turned wounded pride and the shame of being wrong into a way of life. It must be difficult indeed.

However, I am not at all pleased by it. It is very disturbing to see so many people who know they have been wrong stubbornly re-create reality in their heads, regularly, to fit their desired version of events.


5 posted on 01/31/2005 8:51:24 AM PST by thoughtomator (How do you say Berkeley California in Aramaic?)
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They know it is historical, they know they should be celebrating something historical, but their bitterness over George W Bush winning his second term cannot allow them to see clearly. I am not as frustrated with them as I once was but actually feel sorry for them now.

Well said. I think many of us here can attest to the loss of friends and family for the Great Sin of supporting Bush. Sounds like you're doing a good job keeping it together. Hold the fort, in a few years he'll come to you with a grin and say "I can't believe I acted like such a Moonbat back then, sorry Mom".

6 posted on 01/31/2005 8:52:04 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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In the desert I saw a creature, naked, bestial,

And, squatting, he held his heart in his hands

And ate of it. '

'Is it good, friend?'' I asked.

''It is bitter-bitter,'' he answered.

''But I like it because it is bitter,

and because it is my heart.''


This is what it is like to be a liberal today.


7 posted on 01/31/2005 8:52:54 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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He should root for the Eagles!!!!!!!...and so should you.


9 posted on 01/31/2005 9:00:45 AM PST by jpf
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Don't lose hope for them, they're young. But be aware, people don't change without pain. So when you see them in pain, point out where they're wrong. It's your duty as their mother. You have more influence than you know.


12 posted on 01/31/2005 9:15:20 AM PST by badbass
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He is not sure which he should be for. We can’t discuss McNabb unless he brings up the drug addict Rush Limbaugh.

Next time you have that conversation, my suggestion would be to say, "Rush Limbaugh never pointed his finger at me and say, 'I did not have an addictive relatiosnhip with those pills'".

13 posted on 01/31/2005 9:17:31 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberis)
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The liberals are waking up to find themselves, yet again, on the wrong side of history. Maybe this will be what's needed for many of them to realize they've been fighting for the wrong side?


14 posted on 01/31/2005 9:19:00 AM PST by InTheRight
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He has convinced her that liberals love unborn babies too that is why they abort so many of them.

Either that remark is intentionally sarcastic, or it completely doesn't add up.

16 posted on 01/31/2005 9:20:02 AM PST by shekkian
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First, let me say they are very young…just out of college. Secondly, both are above average intelligence in fact very high IQs. But in the game of life, they would ride the short bus.

Don't worry about them yet. There's still time. When I was 22, I used to go to Jackson Browne concerts and even wore a No-Nukes T-shirt. I used to think Jimmy Carter was a good president. I even donated to some save-the-whales foundation.

But I'm OK now.

18 posted on 01/31/2005 9:25:38 AM PST by SamAdams76 (iPod Shuffle Is A Gateway Drug)
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First, let me say they are very young…just out of college. Secondly, both are above average intelligence in fact very high IQs. But in the game of life, they would ride the short bus.

Don't worry about them yet. There's still time. When I was 22, I used to go to Jackson Browne concerts and even wore a No-Nukes T-shirt. I used to think Jimmy Carter was a good president. I even donated to some save-the-whales foundation.

But I'm OK now.

19 posted on 01/31/2005 9:25:39 AM PST by SamAdams76 (iPod Shuffle Is A Gateway Drug)
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The Elian Gonzalez betrayal was the perfect example of the difference between the Rat Party and we Republicans. Our outrage for sending an orphan boy whose mother literally gave her life for her son to breath freely was forced back to a brutal dictator by the Rats. The Dems threw everything at this boy including breaking the law and an American family’s door down at gunpoint to throw this helpless boy back to slavery. Conversely President George W Bush has risked everything while being called every name in the book to bring Freedom to 25 million enslaved human beings. One 10 year old boy sent back to Castro’s prison island vs 25 million saved from Saddamn’s torture is Democrat vs Republican.

The Dems say they are for Freedom from all dictators however their actions defy their words. Not one time in the past half billion freed slaves have they been on the right side of history. How difficult is it to wish Freedom for an enslaved people??? The truth is that they say they are for freedom, but they are only against dictators who are friends of America, while supporting every dictator that hates America. This is what happens to you when you believe any means justifies your ends.

America and especially the Military has made one of the greatest accomplishment in history. They have freed a people who was tortured and brutalized under a madman to be given their freedom with no expectations. These people would be shot for marking ballots the way they did. The soldiers who freed these people and gave their lives for this cause did it for the most noble of causes. They went in to protect our Country and World from the greatest terrorist dictator on the face of the planet and to free the people while attempting to establish Democracy. They met and exceeded all of their goals. These soldiers are heroes for all times and deserve our deepest respect and congratulations. Their families must be busting with pride.

Any political party in a democracy that cannot accept the joy and value of millions of people voting freely for the first time in their lives has lost it’s perspective. The joy and happiness on the Iraqis’ faces should be evident enough, but the Rats have to turn it into an attack on Bush’s policy. How difficult would it be for this Party to say they may have been wrong about the election and the freeing of 25 million people was a great thing for our Troops whom, they “support.” The very least they could have done was to acknowledge that the terrorists are evil and our Troops are the Freedom Fighters.

The truth is that the CommucRats do not want freedom for other countries or even this Great Country. Their ideal utopian model is fashioned after Communist China, Cuba and Russia even though they knew they were evil, the ends justified the means. Like China they see it as a great equalizer if everyone is dirt poor as long as the Inner Circle (them) is taken care of. If you take a look at the clinton Inner Circle you could see the formation of their form of gummit. They wanted to eliminate private healthcare while raising taxes to redistribute income and sending the middle class to poverty. Meanwhile, the Inner Circle that survived all became multi-millionaires.

This Party does not want Freedom for anyone. They opposed the bringing down of the Wall, the Vote in Nicaragua, the Protection of Elian, the Overthrow of Saddamn and have been completely exposed by the vote in Iraq. What people have they ever stood up for who are oppressed?? This is a Party that is an establishment devoid of any values or ideas other than the blind obsession of power.

George W Bush and we Republicans were right about the people of Iraq also yearning to breath freely. We are the Party of optimism and willing to take on challenges bigger than ourselves. While the Dems continue to wallow in the quagmire of failed ideologies and broken programs, we are working to make the Greatest Country in the World even better. If a Political Party does not want Freedom for the oppressed of the World it does not want Freedom for America?

While we ride with the Angels in the Whirlwind they are mired in the tar pits of Vietnam. Thanks to the Rats, Elian Gonzales is a slave again under the murderous dictator Castro while under GW fifty million former brutalized and raped slaves are voting their own futures and feeling the cool breeze of freedom. Perhaps one day we will see the statue of Saddamn replaced by Lady Liberty holding her Flame High for all the World to Dream.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighting Soldiers


20 posted on 01/31/2005 9:29:15 AM PST by bray (Iraq Freed Politically and Pray it will be Freed Spiritually)
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Yesterday should have been a great day for liberals. They live for this stuff. Unfortunately, in the context of a Republican U.S. President defending the country, they can't possibly be happy about the liberation of an enslaved people.

There are some people on the right, Brooks, Buchanan, Will et al who should be ashamed of themselves as well.

24 posted on 01/31/2005 9:37:06 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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They came again to visit for a short while on Sunday and we had the news on (Fox News of course) and as it should be, everything was about the Iraqi Elections. Dancing Iraqis, Happy Iraqis….My son sat and watched it and said nothing. I looked at him and he looked sad and very humble which is not something he does well..humble. I looked at his face and it occurred to me that he was sad because he couldn’t be ecstatic about this historical event!

Gently mention this to your son, and suggest that if you have to be sad watching a whole country achieve freedom, maybe you are on the wrong side of the political fence.

25 posted on 01/31/2005 9:40:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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I came to realize that everything is political to liberal democrats.

"Everything is political."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Liberals have taken Lenin's assertion to heart. On the left, the individual's identity is defined by his politics.

On the right, our identity comes from our family, our religious beliefs and our works. Politics is well down the priority list.

This distinction is the reason why the left is more given to political activism. Politics defines who they are -- not what they believe.

My condolences about your son. But, given his breeding and his intelligence, I'll wager "it's just a phase" -- and he'll grow out of it.

27 posted on 01/31/2005 9:43:07 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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He loves history and he was missing out of the most significant event of his young life. He was sad that he couldn’t talk about it, discuss it and be happy about it or argue about it.

Gypssy, I think your son will grow out of it. How can anyone who loves history stay liberal? And with his wife being pro-life, well...

I changed, I think he will also. But I understand its hard for you. I feel sad for the liberals also. I am so proud of our military, the Iraqis and president Bush for making all this able to happen, and its a shame they have to walk around mopey all the time, and let their hatred pave over any good feelings!

29 posted on 01/31/2005 9:44:48 AM PST by eyespysomething (I'm speechless here, but don't worry, it won't last long. Ask my husband.)
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When I reflect on some, let's be honest here, most of the opinions, statements, passionately held beliefs, of my college days in the 1960's, I blush the color of a ripe eggplant and want to hop into a time machine, go back to "then" and put a large piece of duct tape over my mouth. What can I say now except "life goes on and things change." What I am most grateful for are the conservative and rational adults who tolerated my adolescent "bullsh*t" and taught me by precept and example. The leftwing, liberal "gurus" at whose feet I so eagerly sat have been revealed by time and history as opportunistic ego-trippers, charlatans and frauds.


31 posted on 01/31/2005 9:55:44 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus ("The most disgusting post I've ever read." Recent FR dilletante to Naughtius.)
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Liberalism is a brain disorder. Something is missing for normal brain function. Many can walk, talk, but cannot chew gum at the same time.


40 posted on 01/31/2005 3:30:13 PM PST by Revererdrv (e)
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If your son likes to read, you should insist that he read Ann Coulter's "Treason". That'll fix him up good. You may have to take off the slip cover, scratch out her name and say it was written by Mourene Doud. Then he'll swear it's gospel.


42 posted on 01/31/2005 4:40:33 PM PST by Boiling point (If God had not meant for man to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!)
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