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Russia abandons effort to tie dollar, ruble (This could be trouble)
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL ^ | February 5, 2005

Posted on 02/05/2005 9:42:08 PM PST by jb6

MOSCOW -- Russia has abandoned efforts to tie the ruble's movement to the dollar and has decided to instead shadow both the dollar and the euro.

The move has caused experts to predict that other countries could institute similar policies, the Financial Times reported Saturday.

The move has also caused speculation that Russia may denominate its oil exports, 81 percent of which goes to Europe, in euros. Russia is second only to Saudi Arabia in oil exports.

"Russia has talked about the idea of pricing its oil in euros. If it is starting to put more weight on the euro in terms of its forex (foreign exchange market) regime and reserves, then that speculation will be re-ignited," said Ian Stannard, currency strategist at BNP Paribas, a European banking and financial group.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: currency; dollar; export; oil; ruble; russia; trade; usa
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Damn, this could be bad. Japan, China and S.Korea buy Russian oil, as well as Europe. If they denominate in Euros, then those countries (particularly the none EU ones) will sell off dollars to buy up Euros. This will drive the value of the dollar down quickly and cause the Fed to spike up interest rates even faster to keep the debt financing going.
1 posted on 02/05/2005 9:42:09 PM PST by jb6
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To: jb6

The dollar should go down. It's a good thing for our economy. Let Europe try being the home of the defacto world currency for a while.


2 posted on 02/05/2005 9:45:21 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: jb6

The world's reserve currency will be the euro by sometime late next week I should think. The dollar sell-off will correct for the hidden subsidy the US economy has enjoyed since Bretton Woods. I suggest we bury our heads in the sand and pray for better days.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 9:47:15 PM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: jb6
Fine let, Europe take responsibility for being the engine of the world.

Their cheeses, wines, cars, electronics and textiles become even more expensive. Our current account becomes a surplus. Manufacturing jobs head our way once again....and Europe whose largest economies, France and Germany, have already on average 10% unemployment will suffer even further. I don't see this necessarily as a negative. If Russia wants to peg their black gold to a no growth economy, have at it.
4 posted on 02/05/2005 9:50:54 PM PST by Chgogal
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To: jb6

The 500 euro bill is very popular in Russia and Europe. More convenient for moving cash around than a $100 bill.


5 posted on 02/05/2005 9:51:18 PM PST by Kirkwood (Liberals gave the world "Rock the Vote." George W Bush gave the world "Iraq: The vote!")
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To: Tax Government; Destro; A. Pole; ninenot; neutrino

Not necessarly, first, a weak dollar means oil is more expensive, as are any commodities brought into America, which includes various inputs to manufacturing that takes place in America. Also, all those winter fruits, flowers, etc will go up accordingly. With higher oil prices (dollar buying less) then everything is affected. Now if Saudi Arabia also follows suite and changes to the Euro, we will be forced to buy the Euro for oil as other nations are dropping the dollar like used underwear, which means, daily our dollar will buy fewer Euros and thus less oil, which will have a direct effect upon our economy and manufacturing sector and credit listings.


6 posted on 02/05/2005 9:51:33 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Chgogal

Two problems, with oil more expensive, there will be less manufacturing in the US. Also, China is still tied to the US so it is still cheaper to do it in China then the US.


7 posted on 02/05/2005 9:52:29 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Asclepius

By next week? Surely you're joking...


8 posted on 02/05/2005 9:54:22 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: All

The Russians have not thought this through and will. Europe has ZERO population growth and their equivalent of a Social Security crisis is 10X worse. Recall the CIA report of a few weeks ago. They will probably dissolve the EU within 15 years. The Euro will cease to exist.


9 posted on 02/05/2005 9:58:20 PM PST by Owen
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To: jb6

We're doomed!...doomed!...

Not. Bush could announce tomorrow total U.S. troop withdrawal from Europe within a couple of years. The Euro would plummet.

OTOH, we can simply wait for the EU to implode within the next 5-15 years.


10 posted on 02/05/2005 9:58:23 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: Owen

You beat me by a few seconds in predicting the demise of the EU within 15 years. Great minds may think alike, but yours is quicker.


11 posted on 02/05/2005 9:59:55 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: jb6

There have been rumours about the price of oil. Namely, that the House of Saud has been promised we would support them as long as oil stays under some benchmark, I'm not sure what.

The whole attitude about a low dollar being good because it boosts our exports is a flat out lie.

We DON'T HAVE a manufacturing base in this country anymore.


12 posted on 02/05/2005 10:09:09 PM PST by djf
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We DON'T HAVE a manufacturing base in this country anymore.

Which would go a long way to explaining why even as the dollar continues to collapse (and oil prices to rise again) that our trade deficit continues to grow not shrink.

13 posted on 02/05/2005 10:10:49 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: peyton randolph
I'M with you. The sky is not falling. President Bush could push the dollar up if need be. But it need not be. We are the Super power the EU is boiling in socialism. They are trying to push for longer work weeks in france and 12,000 people in some small little town are going to protest.

12,000 are DUmmie couldn't get that on a warm day for gay marriage .

14 posted on 02/05/2005 10:10:50 PM PST by Deetes
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To: djf

Here in NYC we have a tourism base and the number of europeans flooding the city is without precedent. And for whatever it's worth, the sale of specialty goods, handcrafted furniture, jewelry and other luxury items is at an all time high.


15 posted on 02/05/2005 10:10:54 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: jb6
Oil is already expensive and Europe is getting a break with the exchange rate where it is at. Nothing would change. Either we want to pay for it or we build smaller cars or we become motivated and use/distribute a new type of fuel, etc. etc. etc.

We will change as necessary, unlike Europe who is presently working only 35 hrs/wk, has no military, cannot afford it's welfare society, has no growth, has high unemployment and needs to deal with a few social problems.
16 posted on 02/05/2005 10:13:57 PM PST by Chgogal
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To: durasell

The folks from western europe are flooding the good old USA spending up a storm.


17 posted on 02/05/2005 10:15:05 PM PST by Deetes
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To: Chgogal

It isn't just a trade/manufacturing issue. YOUR take home pay becomes worthless!

We want the dollar to be the reserve currency, otherwise it would lose an estimated 25% of its value and screw up our financial markets soon thereafter.


18 posted on 02/05/2005 10:16:23 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (I can no longer separate a reality story from satire on this site. People are losing their senses.)
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To: Chgogal

People in the industry are hinting that ANWR would make Saudi Arabia look like a mud puddle by comparison.


19 posted on 02/05/2005 10:16:58 PM PST by djf
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To: Deetes

They are in NYC. Friends of mine who sell or make expensive stuff are reporting a huge jump in sales to europeans. Unfortunately, these types of businesses don't employ a whole bunch of people.


20 posted on 02/05/2005 10:18:25 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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