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To: jwalsh07; js1138

Depending on the bug, I could do those 47 amino acid changes in about 6 months, so 6 is a piece of cake. This would use modern molecular biology techniques. To use only "natural" mutational events, it might take a year or two.

The point is well taken that you cannot determine probability based on 6 mutations all occurring at one time in one bug. However, given that the average bacterial culture contains 1,000,000,000 bacteria per ml, a liter would have 1,000,000,000,000 bacteria. An average mutational rate of 1/1,000,000, means that there are 1,000,000 mutants in a liter of bacteria. Digest these numbers and you will see how easy it is to get to a nylon eating bug in a short period of time.


80 posted on 02/07/2005 8:27:30 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: furball4paws
"To use only "natural" mutational events, it might take a year or two."

How do you conclusively show that a change is due to a "mutation event" rather than to an existing gene simply delivering different output functionality (perhaps based upon environmental changes or on differences from other genes)?

81 posted on 02/07/2005 8:31:49 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: furball4paws
The point is well taken that you cannot determine probability based on 6 mutations all occurring at one time in one bug. However, given that the average bacterial culture contains 1,000,000,000 bacteria per ml, a liter would have 1,000,000,000,000 bacteria. An average mutational rate of 1/1,000,000, means that there are 1,000,000 mutants in a liter of bacteria. Digest these numbers and you will see how easy it is to get to a nylon eating bug in a short period of time.

Wouldn't you have to account for the ratio of "favorable mutations" to all mutations? Any idea what that ratio is in bacteria?

139 posted on 02/08/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by jwalsh07
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