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Mark Steyn: Bush will not be mocked
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 02/12/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/10/2005 5:51:09 AM PST by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78

Steyn seems to be the focus of wisdom among journalists.


21 posted on 02/10/2005 6:57:20 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Pokey78

BTTT


22 posted on 02/10/2005 6:59:58 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: blanknoone; Pokey78

<< It is rare that I would even consider changing a word of the master...but here is one.

It’s no coincidence that the region of the world that causes the most trouble for the rest is the one the Western European imperialists stayed in just long enough to screw up but not long enough to do any good in. >>

Excellent point -- and now they're staying home and have done it to themselves!

Have, in fact, done themselves in.

Sow?

Reap?

Anyone?


23 posted on 02/10/2005 7:00:42 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: All

"languid, limp toff complacency isn’t going to cut it."

- love that phrase!


24 posted on 02/10/2005 7:03:43 AM PST by austinaero
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To: Pokey78

bookmarked.


Steyn is such a great educator. I hope those who call themselves conservatives in the UK start to buy a clue! According to Steyn's comments it would seem that they are stuck in what we used to call a 'country club republican' time warp.

Isn't it rich that his name was on the cover of the Spectator coupled with the words "Bush" and "triumph." And the editors obviously thought they were slamming both men!


25 posted on 02/10/2005 7:06:13 AM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: Pokey78

Thanks Pokey!!!


26 posted on 02/10/2005 7:07:05 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78

WOW Steyn is SMOKING! This one's getting bookmarked.


27 posted on 02/10/2005 7:20:43 AM PST by lawgirl (Proud 2 time voter for George W. Bush as of 7:21 AM CST, November 2, 2004. LUVYA DUBYA!!)
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To: Pokey78; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; devolve; yall


From the article:

That’s the seven eighths of the iceberg that the war’s really about: there are more Muslims, and more of those Muslims are radicalised. That doesn’t mean they all want to graduate to the top eighth and fly planes into skyscrapers or release a dirty nuke in Birmingham, but it does indicate that if you’re cooking up a scheme along those lines, you’ve got a much bigger talent pool to draw on — and that at a certain point they won’t need to release dirty nukes, because Islamification will be so advanced that many countries will simply find a way to accommodate it. Look at Holland, where Theo van Gogh’s fellow film-makers reacted to his murder by cancelling the screening of his picture and scheduling some Muslim propaganda flicks. Are these people likely to show any more backbone in 20 years’ time, when Europe’s cities are even more Islamic and even more radically Islamic?

Right now, Bush is the only strategic game in town. He intends to change, by one means or another, the problem regimes in the Middle East — which is almost all of them — and shrivel their ideological exports. It’s an ambitious strategy, but so far it’s working out, and at a level of casualties that any previous generation, in Britain or America, would have recognised as the lowest in history. Maybe the Tory nay-sayers have a better idea, but, if not, elegant, languid, limp toff complacency isn’t going to cut it. British Conservatives should get on side, before there’s nothing left to conserve.


bump! bump! bump!


28 posted on 02/10/2005 7:24:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping.


29 posted on 02/10/2005 7:26:59 AM PST by GOPJ (Jacksonville and the NFL did us proud. Thanks for a great show.)
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To: kidd

The Tories are the equivalent of our Democrat Party under Howard's leadership. The war is unpopular in Britian. Initially supportive, Tories saw a chance to capitalize on bad news and ran with it at the cost of a unified nation during war. Sound familiar? Hence my disgust of Howard's Tories. When they decide to return to Thatcher or Churchill, I'll take note. Until then Blair is the only one that seems to have an understanding of the necessity of this war in a position to make a difference, and the courage to remain committed even against public opposition, coming elections, pressure by those in his own party, opposition of Howard and the rags united agaist him.


30 posted on 02/10/2005 7:30:25 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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flagging for later


31 posted on 02/10/2005 7:34:07 AM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Pokey78

Excellent Steyn. As usual.


32 posted on 02/10/2005 7:38:05 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse."-Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: Pokey78
Finally, someone to blame. Here's a rallying point for conspiracy nuts in the ME who need an excuse to buy democracy. The old mess is not Islamic fault -- let's join hands and fix the mess caused by the Brits. In the war of ideas, and as ideas go, this one's not half bad:

Lord Hurd evidently thinks ‘nation-building’ is utopian hooey. Maybe it is. But one reason the region is in the mess it’s in is that, in 1922, fag-end British imperialism was too fainthearted to inculcate British ‘nation-building’ values (as in India) but still arrogant enough to complicate their politics, impose weak outside emirs as their kings, elevate minority groups into the ruling class — and then scram. It’s no coincidence that the region of the world that causes the most trouble for the rest is the one the Western imperialists stayed in just long enough to screw up but not long enough to do any good in.

33 posted on 02/10/2005 7:38:09 AM PST by GOPJ (Jacksonville and the NFL did us proud. Thanks for a great show.)
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To: Pokey78

Steyn is always a good read, but this column is particular important.

What it says about the iceberg is, I'm afraid, right on the mark.

What it says about the Tories is also on the mark. What's the matter with the Tories? They have no energy, no hopes, no ideas, no principles. They just want another term in office so they can enjoy the perks.

Since 1914, the only worthwhile Tories among a long string of losers have been Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher. The rest were all effete, intelligent but clueless has-beens. There isn't a decent leader in sight among the whole lot of them. John Major tossed Maggie Thatcher out, and it's been downhill ever since.

Not much hope from Labour, either, unfortunately. Tony Blair is a very mixed bag with dreadful domestic policies, and it's not clear whether he will be able to stay the course. He managed, barely, to rally the party behind him once, but it's not clear that he could do it again.


34 posted on 02/10/2005 7:49:31 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pokey78

Amen!


35 posted on 02/10/2005 7:53:49 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Brian Allen

Hey, you missed out the part about us being "the Euro-peons' (sic) Neo-Soviet's squalidly fasciSSocialistic off-shore satellite state"!

Your pre-packaged rant seems to have declined slightly in quality since the last time you put it into practice- although I do love your discovery of the rhetorical uses of the word 'bovver'; So very this season, don't you think?

Carry on the good work old chap.


36 posted on 02/10/2005 7:55:36 AM PST by Ed Thomas
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping, Pokey! Another great and thought-provoking article from the master wordsmith.


37 posted on 02/10/2005 8:01:20 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Dean as chairman of the DNC: who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?)
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To: Slipperduke

Muslim MEN, what about the women??? aNd what about Abu Hamza?


38 posted on 02/10/2005 8:21:11 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: blanknoone
We can argue over whether America was imperialist towards say Latin America or maybe the Phillipines (I would strongly disagree with that, but I recognize an argument could be made) but the Arab world was all Europe. THe Arab world wasn't colonized by the Europeans -- it was part of the Turkish Empire until the end of WWI and then it was under mandates for 30 years. tHey were already screwed up. The Euros with their mish-mash of borders cutting across tribal lines in Africa screwed up THAT continent, that's true but not the Middle East, except for Iraq which was a British creation and shouldnt' have been ONE country in the first place, it was made up of 3 distinct Ottoman provinces just because the Brits wanted the oil rich north (Kurdish) and south (Shia Arab) part and the middle (Sunni) part was the joining sector.
39 posted on 02/10/2005 8:23:53 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: COUNTrecount
...written in true Steyn-O-Mite fashion...

Steyn is so good that FReepers have pretty much worn out the standard superlatives. You have to get creative to laude his talent in a way that hasn't been done a thousand times before.

40 posted on 02/10/2005 8:36:26 AM PST by Yardstick
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