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Who's the Anti-Semite? Arguments over bad movies show perils of self-hatred
The Jewish Exponent ^ | 1/27/2005 | Jonathan S. Tobin

Posted on 02/10/2005 7:02:09 AM PST by malakhi

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1 posted on 02/10/2005 7:02:10 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Bella_Bru; SJackson; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Alouette

Ping.


2 posted on 02/10/2005 7:03:19 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Admin Moderator

Would it be possible to fix the apostrophe problem in the title? That didn't show up in 'preview'. Thanks!


3 posted on 02/10/2005 7:03:51 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi
The anti-semitism flag is unfurled and flying early today.
4 posted on 02/10/2005 7:05:54 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: cynicom
By golly, you are posting early this morning.
5 posted on 02/10/2005 7:09:56 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi
When Lapin claims that actors who spoof Jewish secularism are practicing anti-Semitism while at the same time rationalizing those who would single out "the Jews" as the destroyers of American decency, the rabbi has crossed the boundary from irresponsible commentary to fomenting hatred of his own people.

I'm not a chr*stian and I disagree with Rabbi Lapin's apparent (lehavdil) "endorsement" of chr*stianity as the American religion (there is one true religion for everyone, not one for each country), but he was right about The Passion and its critics. Jonathan Tobin (who evidently would have considered Yehoshu`a Bin Nun a "right wing extremist") owes Rabbi Lapin an apology, not only for accusing him of self-hatred, but for belittling his organization and campaign.

Rabbi Lapin is a scion of a distinguished Lithuanian Rabbinic dynasty. I doubt that Tobin can claim the same.

6 posted on 02/10/2005 7:13:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad `olam.)
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To: malakhi
mal...Yep..

Why don't you apply to Robinson for a forum entitled "antisemitism", then it can be listed on the right with the others.

Those wishing to view could do so at their leisure. Posting daily diatribes as you post has nothing to do with breaking news.

7 posted on 02/10/2005 7:15:02 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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If Mr. Robinson has a problem with my post, and similar posts by others, he is welcome to inform us of that. Absent that happening, I'll go on posting as I please, thankyouverymuch.

You, in turn, are free to ignore any threads you don't want to read. Of course this is probably the 1,000th time someone has told you that.

Oh, and this wasn't posted in "Breaking News".

8 posted on 02/10/2005 7:20:35 AM PST by malakhi
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So while some feared that an Oscar for Gibson or the film would revive the controversy, the unsurprising refusal of the same Hollywood elite that despised the film to honor it will cause the argument to be revisited anyway.

True.

I really don't care what Hollywood thinks anyway. If they laud any depiction of Christ's life or Passion in any new film I would be suspicious because it would most likely would have been done in a politically correct way anyway. The mere fact that Hollywood trashes and/or ignores this tremendous film is a testament to it.

9 posted on 02/10/2005 7:22:46 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: malakhi

Chaps you a tad when someone exposes your agenda, does it not?


10 posted on 02/10/2005 7:24:51 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Your point is irrelevant as to ancestry. Breeding has nothing to do with it and even if Tobin came from the line of Seabiscuit he would still be wrong and Lapin right.
The portrayal of an average Jewish family as decadent and degenerate by Hollywood contributes to a general misperception especially when played by actors of Jewish ancestry who are decadent and degenerate.
As to Barbra and Dustin, Fok them.


11 posted on 02/10/2005 7:28:51 AM PST by Shisan (Jalisco no te rajes.)
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To: malakhi
I'm still waiting for the antisemitism and religious riots against the Jews this film was supposed to ignite according to the experts and pundits.

One observation from "The Passion": Leaving the theater after the film had ended was like leaving Mass on Good Friday, it was absolutely quiet and solemn. It did not seem to me anybody was in the mood for antisocial behavior...

12 posted on 02/10/2005 7:30:35 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: Zionist Conspirator
and I disagree with Rabbi Lapin's apparent (lehavdil) "endorsement" of chr*stianity as the American religion

I'm glad you noted that. My posting of this article was prompted by a different thread posted yesterday: America isn't a 'Christian' nation [BARF!].

Jonathan Tobin (who evidently would have considered Yehoshu`a Bin Nun a "right wing extremist") owes Rabbi Lapin an apology, not only for accusing him of self-hatred, but for belittling his organization and campaign.

I disagree. Tobin acknowledges that Lapin is right on two major points: that some Jews on the left have been too quick to stigmatize Christians as anti-Semites, and that there is a problem with the decline of public morality. Tobin's objection is the extent to which Lapin is willing to blame this moral decline on Jews. For Lapin to cite Mein Kampf to buttress his argument is, IMO, beyond the realm of acceptability.

Rabbi Lapin is a scion of a distinguished Lithuanian Rabbinic dynasty.

Frankly, so what?

13 posted on 02/10/2005 7:31:45 AM PST by malakhi
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Thanks!


14 posted on 02/10/2005 7:32:15 AM PST by malakhi
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To: cynicom
Chaps you a tad when someone exposes your agenda, does it not?

LOL, you give yourself way too much credit. You are a one note little gadfly who dreams of being a curmudgeon. Feel free to stick around on the thread, though, as your griping seems to provide you with meaning and a sense of purpose.

15 posted on 02/10/2005 7:35:06 AM PST by malakhi
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"(there is one true religion for everyone, not one for each country)"

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this. I could agree that there is one true God but there are many ways to follow Him.


16 posted on 02/10/2005 7:36:58 AM PST by OldYank1
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To: frogjerk
I'm still waiting for the antisemitism and religious riots against the Jews this film was supposed to ignite according to the experts and pundits.

Don't kid yourself. The media is very selective as to which "experts" and "pundits" they interview. There were no worries in my local Jewish community about antisemitism or riots as a result of this film.

Gibson and Foxman used each other -- Gibson as part of a clever guerilla marketing campaign to garner millions in free publicity, and Foxman to gin up big donations by scaring elderly Jews. Quid pro quo.

17 posted on 02/10/2005 7:38:59 AM PST by malakhi
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Gibson as part of a clever guerilla marketing campaign to garner millions in free publicity

I'd love to see proof of this charge. Also, any film on the subject of Christ is going to get automatic publicity no matter what the adjenda of the film is. Gibson did not need any free publicity because it was coming, bad or good.

18 posted on 02/10/2005 7:45:56 AM PST by frogjerk
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I haven't studied the techniques Hitler used to stigmatize the Jews, so I can't comment on them. I do know that the Nazis were a sexually deviant bunch, a fact that's pretty much confirmed by the popularity of their garb in sicker porn. I was under the impression that Hitler concentrated on the relative affluence of many Jews during the great depression as his stigmatizing methodology, combined with deep-seated antisemitism that goes back for centuries in Arian culture. Possibly it's true, but I haven't seen much documentation of this.
19 posted on 02/10/2005 7:51:49 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: cynicom

Yours must be about breaking wind..


20 posted on 02/10/2005 8:10:43 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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