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To: Hoplite
It takes two to tango. Arafat rejected Barak's offer that would have removed almost all of those settlements. I don't think the settlements had much to do with the lack of a peace deal. I don't think at any time the Palestinians were ready to make a deal that was at all reasonable for Israel to accept. The upside of the settlements is that it tended to make clear that time was not on the Palestinians side.

And no, I don't know a thing about the book. I just think over the past 20 years, the equities have shifted decisively to Israel's side, and I was one whose skin would crawl ever time I listened to M. Begin. Diffferent facts lead to different conclusions.

Oh yes, the really "constructive" thing Israel did was to build the wall, which I advocated about 6 years ago. If anything leads to peace, it will be the wall.

42 posted on 02/11/2005 8:16:08 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
The wall again, is it?

I think we left this with me standing firm on the 1967 border and you allowing for small scale Israeli enlargement.

I'll note that I wouldn't have been so charitable as to describe anything Arafat did as dancing - he was a schmuck and good riddance to him, but neither his existence nor Palestinian's dismal inability to find worthy leadership is reason for Israel to play the Lord of the Manor and enclose the Palestinian commons or divest Palestinians of their homes to make room for Israeli homes - were the shoe on the other foot, Palestinian settlements or encroachment in Israel would be no more acceptable than the current setup, and we need to start enforcing that policy with a little more firmness than we have in the past.

As to where this leads, I'll quote Scheuer himself:

Israel. There is certainly not a more difficult or dangerous issue to debate in the field of postwar U.S. foreign policy. The American political landscape is littered with the battered individuals - most recently the president of the United States - who dared to criticize Israel, or, even more heretically, to question the value to U.S. national interests of the country's overwhelmingly one-way alliance with Israel. Almost every such speaker is immediately branded anti-Semitic and consigned to the netherworld of American politics, as if concerns about U.S. national security are prima facie void if they involve any questioning the U.S.-Israeli status quo.

44 posted on 02/11/2005 9:33:59 PM PST by Hoplite
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