Skip to comments.'Gannon' Interview: No Plame Subpoena, No Tie to White House, He Says
Posted on 02/11/2005 5:26:14 PM PST by areafiftyone
NEW YORK In a lengthy, wide-ranging interview with E&P today, former White House reporter Jeff Gannon, whose real name is James D. Guckert, revealed that, contrary to many media reports, he has not been subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame/CIA case.
He also threw into question media accounts suggesting that he had seen a classified CIA document critical to the Plame case, saying he had made references to the internal memo, but adding, âI never said I had it or had seen it.â But when asked if he had in fact seen it, he declined to say.
Gannon/Guckert earlier this week resigned his reporting position for Talon News, a Web site run by a Republican activist.
In the interview with E&P, Guckert also:
â¢ explicitly denied ties to White House officials,and claimed he had met Karl Rove just once, at a party;
â¢ said that the presidential press conference two weeks ago that brought him to public attention was not the first he had attended, but rather the fourth, and that he'd managed to ask President Bush a question once before; and
â¢ acknowledged he had been turned down for a Capitol Hill press pass not once but multiple times.
Guckert quit earlier this week after bloggers revealed that he had been reporting from the White House under an alias. They also alleged that he might have been planted by White House operatives to provide a positive spin for the administration, and they showed that he had helped set up several sexually oriented Web sites. His connections to the Plame case have now gained increasing attention.
Although Press Secretary Scott McClellan and others at the White House knew that Gannon was not his real name, they always referred to him by that name, he said in the interview. "My professional name is Jeff Gannon, and that is what people called me,â he explained, adding, in an odd reference, It is like Kirk Douglas, they do not refer to him when they meet him by his real name."
Guckert said he was 47 years old, had never been married, and has no children. He revealed that he'd used the Gannon name since 2001 and vowed to keep using it. "Absolutely; it is my professional name,â he said. âI would be throwing away all of the things I built up over the past few years if I stopped using it."
Following are other highlights from the interview.
On the Plame probe
Guckert said that contrary to many press reports, he was never subpoenaed by the special prosecutor and has never testified before a grand jury in the case. But he said he was interviewed by two FBI agents in his home for about 90 minutes last year.
"I answered their questions truthfully and honestly, but I would prefer not to say more, he said. I assume the information was routed back and that is why I was not called to testify."
Although he hinted that he had not seen a classified CIA document after all, he added, "I am not going to speak to that. It goes to something of a nature I do not want to discuss."
On presidential press conferences
Guckert first attended a presidential press conference in April 2003, he said, just weeks after starting with Talon News. He also attended another, for which he cannot recall the date, prior to the late-January conference that brought him to public attention. "I was also once at a Rose Garden briefing after the announcement of the interim government in Iraq, he said. It was impromptu. I thought [Bush] had pointed at me, but he was really pointing at someone else. But I shouted out a question, and he answered it."
Guckert said that standing in close proximity to the President required no additional security checks that he knew of. "They might have done something, but I don't know what it was," he said. "More people actually get into them than the briefings. A lot of people go just because they can."
Connections to White House staff
When asked if anyone in the White House staff or leadership planted, offered, or suggested questions to ask, Guckert said "absolutely not." He said, "I only met Karl Rove once, at the media Christmas party at the White House in 2003. I was waiting in line for my 'grip and grin' [photo] with the president and he passed by. I introduced myself to him, he said hello, and he moved on.â
He said he also attended the 2004 Christmas party.
Asked if he had any other social connection to Rove or Press Secretary Scott McClellan, he said, "absolutely not. ... The only connection I had with Scott McClellan was when he got married and I sent him a card and left it at the press office for him." He said he gave no gift to McClellan.
He said he couldn't understand why anyone would feel that letting him in to the presidential press conferences and briefings under an alias, and with questionable journalistic credentials, suggested a security breakdown. "If I am a Republican shill, he said, wouldn't you think I am the least amount of a threat to the president?"
On how he got access to daily White House briefings
Gannon said he began attending White House press briefings in March 2003, very shortly after he joined Talon News, which is run by a Republican activist.
"I requested clearance each day via an e-mail to the White House Press office the night before. I gave them my professional name, my legal name, my social security number, my address and phone number, and the news service where I worked," he said. "I assumed that there was some kind of cursory check that they do, but did not know what. They never asked me for more information." He said he usually went to press briefings there at least once a week," or more.
On those days, he said, "I would go to the guard gate and show my driver's license with my legal name, and they looked me up on the computer and let me in." He said he would receive a day pass, which has no name -- Gannon or Guckert -- on it. He said he sought the permanent "hard pass" when he first wanted to cover the White House, but after finding out he needed a congressional press pass -- which he'd been denied -- to get that far, he utilized only the day passes. I made several attempts to get a congressional pass, and each time they said 'no.' They were concerned with the Talon News business model, he said. They didn't feel that we fit the criteria."
On his name change
He began using the Gannon name in 2001, while working in Pennsylvania to help a friend with a start-up business in auto repair, one of several jobs he said he'd had outside of journalism prior to coming to Washington.
"I was projecting out into the future at that time that I was going to be a journalist," he said. "I wanted to have a better name that is not difficult to spell or pronounce. For a little while, it protected my family from people who disagreed with me going after my family, but that was just a side consideration. I really wanted an easier name because people have gotten it wrong all of my life."
When asked what he would say to those who believe this reason is not credible, and that more likely he is hiding something in his past, Gannon said "they're wrong." He also said he never legally changed it because he did not believe it was necessary: "I have thought of doing that, but never got around to it. It was not on the top of the list."
On joining Talon News
He said he had been writing op-ed pieces since 2001, when he was in Pennsylvania, and that he had them submitted to several Web sites and "advocacy groups," including MichNews and Frontiers of Freedom. He said he could not think of any others. "I wrote about 20 or 30, over several years," he said, "on subjects like Trent Lott and other conservative issues." (An E&P search of online archives at MichNews turned up no articles by Gannon, and a Google search turned up no Gannon articles at either MichNews or Frontiers of Freedom.)
He said he came across Talon News while researching and liked its approach. The Texas Republican activist who runs it also manages the site GOPUSA.
"I had submitted my writings to Talon and saw they were looking for people to write news, and it was something I was interested in. I moved to Washington after Sept. 11, 2001, because I was so affected by [the attacks]." Guckert said he first went to work for Talon News in February 2003 after writing several test stories for them, becoming a stringer at first and later a full-time salaried reporter.
"I asked them if I could go and cover the White House, and they said I could try. Ari Fleischer was the press secretary then, and he went precisely row by row, so I was skipped over many times in the beginning. I don't recall when I finally got to be called on. McClellan came in and did it differently; he skipped around a lot.
He said that when he first joined Talon, it was a lean organization and I was compensated on a stringer basis." He would not say how much he made as a stringer or a full-time reporter. Did he receive money from other sources? No, he said, he lived off savings during his stringer stretch. "As time went on, he said, âmy salary increased."
On setting up sex sites
"They were done through a private company I was involved with doing Web site development about five years ago," Guckert said. He said the company was Bedrock Corporation of Delaware. He would not identify the clients who asked him to create the sites. "The sites were never hosted, and nothing was ever posted to the sites," he said.
Asked how he felt working on sites with names like hotmilitarystud.com, militaryescorts.com, and militaryescortsm4m.com, he said, "we did not discriminate on content."
Even if they didn't go live, how did he justify developing two Web sites for what appear to be male escort services? Isn't that illegal? "I don't know that to be true, he said. If they had wanted to go forward with it, it would have been a consideration to determine if it was legal or illegal. That would have been looked into."
He said he had also set up a Web site for his church, but he wouldn't identify it.
On resigning this week
"It was my decision to leave, he said, and I left on good terms. They were very supportive of me, and it was only after members of my family contacted me about being harassed that I decided to leave."
Guckert claimed that his family began being harassed a week ago. Asked how this was possible, when his real name didn't even surface until late Monday, he held to the view that "it was out there a week ago, and that is when it started. My mother and my brother and his wife in Pennsylvania were being harassed with phone calls and threats."
When asked how he felt about Talon and GOPUSA removing his stories from their sites, and what that might suggest about him, he said, "That bothers me sometimes. I stand behind everything I wrote, and if people disagree with it that is okay. But this is part of this invasion of examining every single thing in my life."
On the future
"Even though it has been very painful, he said of the current uproar, lots of opportunities have come forward journalistically. Once all of this blows over, I think it might actually help that I have gotten this attention." He would not cite specific examples of any new opportunities. He cited Dick Morris as an example of someone whose travails, and brash political views, helped launch a media career.
Guckert said he had recently contacted legal representation "for quite a few things," referring to the Plame case and the controversy over his White House access, but he would not elaborate. "I have always had an attorney on retainer, and now I believe I will have to put him to work," he said.
Joe Strupp (email@example.com) is a senior editor at E&P.
He was a good reporter who should not have quit!
I wonder what kind of people might do this kind of thing.....
As angry as I have been about Micheal Moore and John Kerry, it never occurred to me to call them and threaten them.
Same kind of moronic liberals who claim to be peaceniks and antiwar but are the first to beat up anyone who is against their way of thinking. We've seen the likes of this kind of scum at every anti-Bush Protest! These are the kind of people who make threats!
He should sue the pants off of Brock et al. Then again, they'd probably drop them for free.
It's funny you say MM and JFnK. Those are the only two creatures that I have come to loathe from the campaign. Oh all the letters I have created in my head to send.
They'll get theirs. The big ol wheel will come around.
Good for you, Jeff! Go get 'em.
E & P was the outlet that fronted the stories about Gannon as news in the first place.
I really feel sorry for this guy. He didn;t deserve this. Sure, he was a bit of an opportunist, but so was Bill Gates. You have to be to get ahead. Now we have nobody to represent the conservative voice at WH press briefings.
LMAO the libs have their hopes so invested in this it will be hilarious to see how they react. Denial is my bet, and a rise in the price of aluminum.
Meanwhile we've got Eason Jordan's head in a bag.
" He said he sought the permanent "hard pass" when he first wanted to cover the White House, but after finding out he needed a congressional press pass -- which he'd been denied -- to get that far, he utilized only the day passes.
After watching many press briefings, one can assume that the exalted press credentials denied Gannon and bloggers and members of the internet
( who God forbid, might actually ask an intelligent question)
must require the holder to be a sneering,ignorant liberal with an agenda and a pretentious French accent.( See David Gregory )
Having some knowledge of current events, accounting,the military and strategy health care, US history,world history, etc are obviously not prerequisites to get White House press credentials.
Imagine a press briefing where bloggers,conservative talk radio hosts and on line scribes were allowed to ask questions.
The quality and depth of the questions would blow the Mastodon media out of the water.
Which is probably why they are so fearful.
It's good to see that Jeff Gannon is granting interviews. Laying low may have helped keep the heat off, but it also created a presumption that he had something to hide.
Good. I hope he drags the corrupt MSM through hell for what they have attempted to do to him.
You are correct. He didn't deserve this.
I would like to know who appointed Joe Strupp the keeper of the truth?
Published on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 by Editor & Publisher
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by Joe Strupp
I admit, this is the only part of the story I don't understand.
Did you see this Jeff Gannon interview; he mentions that he isn't under any kind of investigation in the Plame matter although he was interviewed by the FBI some time ago. Also some interesting info re the confidential file.
Thanks for the ping...I had not seen this. Will read immediately.
Ohhhhhhhhhh... you gave me an idea. Perhaps the WH should have a lefty presser and then an everyone else presser. Then the can judge the quality of the information that comes forth without all the p*ss&vinegar dressing on top.
Read that far and had to pause and say "No kidding". That's what I've been saying, it was so obvious from the state of the record.
Back to reading the rest...
(the "media accounts" were based on the ravings of the lunatics at the daily kos that were spoonfed to them by David Brock who got it from Sid Blumenthal, etc. "media reports"..give me a break)
As to press passes and the WH letting in opinion sites, they do---from across the spetrum.
Critics have accused the White House of granting unusual access to Jeff Gannon (search), the reporter who recently resigned as White House correspondent for a conservative Web site.
But the White House clears in other reporters with partisan views, as long as they represent a news organization that publishes regularly. That includes Russell Mokhiber, who works for Ralph Nader's Corporate Crimes Reporter. Mokhiber recently asked Press Secretary Scott McClellan if the president believes the Sixth Commandment thou shalt not kill applies to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
The White House says they welcome a wide range of views in the briefing room.
The kind of people that would leave a dead cat on a doorstep...
"They'll get theirs. The big ol wheel will come around."
Done deal. Eason Jordan just got bagged.
Well, shucks, I just said the same thing but you beat me to it! Sory for doubling up on it.
I think it's really interesting that the FBI spoke to him for 90 minutes. It sounds like this investigation is being very thorough. And look who the grand jury did want to speak to. Gannon's information could well be useful without having to be called in.
Waiting to hear from that appellate court on those contempt citations for the journalists the grand jury DOES want to hear from.
"My mother and my brother and his wife in Pennsylvania were being harassed with phone calls and threats."
"I wonder what kind of people might do this kind of thing....."
The media folks knew this would happen. That's why they put his name out there. Keith Olbermann and the rest of the tinfoil brigade all but asked people to harass the guy.
Gannon himself could probably have taken the heat, but to do stuff to his relatives is just plain wrong. These threats should be investigated. He shouldn't have to take heat like that, either. Nobody should. I canot help but consider the sheer absurdity of harassing this guy out of a job and putting his entire family in danger because a select few had a problem with a question he asked. Aren't these the same stuffed shirts that are always saying that they can ask whatever they want?
Ahh, but I'm venturing down a well-work trail with these thoughts. Best of luck to Mr. Gannon or whatever his real name is. I was a mechanic once as well, and I still love fixing stuff.
See post #23. This WH is amazingly open...and I'm confident they are careful with background checks. I had to roll my eyes at the arch hinting this interview indulged in. What a crackpot.
The minute that CNN interview ended yesterday you could practically hear the air going out of the lefties' balloon.
Then last night Media Matters issued a desperate press release practically screaming for help that the story not die. But it was too late.
It was dead.
" Perhaps the WH should have a lefty presser and then an everyone else presser. "
That's what I thought.
This way, if the high and mighty WH press corps stamps their little feet and refuses to allow the new media to participate,they can continue to have the same old tired lefty briefing and then an informative one, with the new media.