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Home Alone and Unhappy; Reflections on the State of U.S. Children
Zenit.org ^ | 1-29-05 | Zenit.org

Posted on 02/11/2005 9:38:27 PM PST by Salvation

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To: TruthConquers

God bless you.


61 posted on 02/12/2005 10:06:52 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Coleus

**especially during the middle and high school years.**

This was the time I became most active in my children's school lives; president of the local parents' group at the local middle school. Attending all the high school functions!

My kids, at the time, weren't always happy about me hanging around all the time. But now they thank me for exactly that and knowing what was going on with them during these volatile days of middle and high school.


62 posted on 02/12/2005 10:09:14 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

My kids, at the time, weren't always happy about me hanging around all the time. >>

Having mom around tends to be a drag when you're a teenager. It's too bad more moms don't take more of an interest in their children.

I use this argument all the time when discussing home schooling. The first thing they say is that the children need to be with each other for proper socialization skills, etc. NOT,

It's the last thing the kids need, how do most kids turn BAD and pick up BAD habits, from their peers while socializing. There's a lot of dead kids and adults, kids in jails, kids addicted to cigarettes and drugs.

All because of their peers and peer pressure due from the socialization process.

Funny, George Washington and most of our forefathers, Abraham Lincoln and most Americans came out just fine without public schools and peers.


63 posted on 02/12/2005 10:49:38 AM PST by Coleus (God gave us the right to life and self preservation and a right to defend ourselves and families)
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To: Salvation

I am a stay at home dad as well. My wife's career was doing better than my own, so for the sake of the kids I decided to stay home full time.

I think stay at home dads are the key to true equality in the workforce. Most women I know recognize this, and applaud our lifestlye. Men are a bit suspicious, like "why does he get to stay home while I have to work these insane hours."


64 posted on 02/12/2005 11:20:46 AM PST by Gaetano
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To: Gaetano

I know a few stay at home dads, a couple who even homeschool. I think its great that you chose such a nontraditional career for your children...they grow up so much more content and self-assured when they have someone at home who's always there.


65 posted on 02/12/2005 2:26:35 PM PST by gardencatz (Cindie)
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To: cubreporter

What I always find interesting is the approach that children are happier when mom is more "fulfilled" or "happier" by working. Same rationale for many divorces... from my own observation, I can say with great certainty that my two children are happy with me at home and my personal fulfillment or professional satisfaction is below zero on their list of priorities! They just want mommy, and how lucky I feel to be here with them.


66 posted on 02/12/2005 2:32:45 PM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: Salvation

It's hard to express exactly what it's like to grow up in the virtual absence of parents, or any trustworthy authority figure at all, for that matter.


67 posted on 02/12/2005 2:42:28 PM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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To: aruanan
I'm at a graduate school. I see them every day.

What is the area of study?

68 posted on 02/12/2005 3:51:36 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader
What is the area of study?

Neurobiology. But these folks mentioned earlier aren't confined to this field or predominant in this field. They're everywhere. Everything exists, or should exist, to give them every creature comfort, to make sure that they're fully and completely entertained; I can't even imagine them thinking of giving up something for the sake of a child. But there are others, like a friend from China, who came here for grad school, got a degree, worked in a lab and enjoyed it, but got pregnant, had their first son, and then felt almost ashamed to say that she'd rather spend her time at home with her son rather than in the lab. I told her it was GOOD thing to enjoy being with her son and to care for him. So now they're expecting their second child! It's SO cool!
69 posted on 02/12/2005 5:09:05 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Interesting! I thought you were going to say something related to "liberal arts". :-) And good for your friend!


70 posted on 02/12/2005 5:14:17 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Kimmers

Oh, your last line just breaks my heart and it is true...so true. Can't imagine sending my child to school ill because I had a "social" commitment.


71 posted on 02/12/2005 9:30:25 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

That's becuase you welcome them into your home and you help and care for them and while there they feel safe and secure. Not to mention "happy." Good for you. Keep up the good work.


72 posted on 02/12/2005 9:31:41 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: GraceCoolidge

Mommy...oh how I love that word. Yes, you are lucky to be there with them and nothing else matters to them in this world except Mommy being with them. You know it's important. The kids feel it but don't know why. Doesnt' matter...the important thng is they love having you there.


73 posted on 02/12/2005 9:33:12 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Yes, they do.

I had a girlfriend who home schooled her son. He wanted to attend their church school to socialize. So she sent him. To his horrors, he was not allowed to visit freely with any of the students in the class room. They had to be quiet in the halls and in the lunch room. He hated it and wanted to come back home to study. His dad left him their for a full 9 weeks.

74 posted on 02/13/2005 7:48:16 AM PST by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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To: kassie

Kassie, have you rented the movie "Mean Girls"? It is a silly movie, but begins with a girl who has always been home schooled, enrolling in HS - there is a funny bit where she gets up to go to the bathroom without permission........ lol


75 posted on 02/13/2005 10:06:20 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: kassie

We were not allowed to socialize in the classroom either AFTER classes began but...homeroom was another story. Could, talk, laugh move around. Silence in the halls and so forth was what we had too. It didn't kill us. It taught us discipline.


76 posted on 02/13/2005 6:35:33 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: cubreporter
When I was in school (dark ages) we had a strict dress code, there was NO talking and the teachers had absolute control over the class. It didn't kill us either. My point was that my girlfriend's son always heard about socializing in school. He thought he'd go and visit freely during class, in the halls,lunch room, whatever. It didn't kill him, but he sure was shocked!
77 posted on 02/14/2005 4:36:36 AM PST by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Yes, I rented that movie. That was a cute part...


78 posted on 02/14/2005 4:37:08 AM PST by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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To: cubreporter; kassie
Cub - you probably also went to school (as did Kassie and I) when discipline meant something. Now, nine out of ten times, when a child gets into trouble, the parent says "what did the OTHER kids do to provoke my angel"?

Many parents don't accept that their child could do anything wrong and won't admonish or punish their child - it demeans, further, the authority of the teacher and just snowballs until the teachers/principals have absolutely NO control over many of the students -

I remember being terrified of the Principal! lol

79 posted on 02/14/2005 8:12:43 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Yes, we had discipline. We could raise heck and laugh before the first bell. Then it was all quiet on the western front (eastern front for me). We walked to lunch in silence, stood there until prayer was said, then we were able to laugh, talk etc. while eating lunch. When the whistle blew...everyone was silent. Whistle blew again and we walked silently back to our classes once again but...only AFTER everyone in the cafeteria pused their chairs back into the table

We lived our lives by "clickers" or "whistles." You know, it's sad today that people are so touchy and defensive. When we took a test, we were not only graded for the test answers themselves but also for grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. It all came off your score.

In the lunchroom and walking to the lunchroom in silence it wasn't just the no talking ... it was attention and discipline that they were enforcing. We KNEW when we heard that whistle it was time to get up as lunch was over. So, it taught us to PAY ATTENTION!!!

The silence meant order and calm which is greatly needed in our day and time. It all made sense plus...we used to laugh about it and giggle with friends about it. It didn't hurt us one bit. Between the good manners, teachings, love and respect we were taught at home by our parents then again at school, we all grew up just fine. Our basics came from our home and parents first...then were just reenforced in school.

Don't know what all the fuss is about today. Money I guess. Sue the teacher, school, school district. It really and truly turns my stomach. The kids today don't know discipline.

My husband, brother and son all adjusted smoothy to the military way of life becuase before they ever even arrived at basic training they knew what respect for rules and respect for authority was...because parents taught those ideals to them all the while they were growing up.

God help the kids today. I feel very sorry for a lot of them. Seriously. They only know $$$$, themselves and what's in it for me. Not all but...a good deal. Very sad.I wish they could experience the simple life, values and morals we were raised with so many years ago.

You probably surmised we attended Catholic school. We used to laugh behind the good Sister's backs too but I tell ya, we would have defended them with our lives too because they were good people. Kept in touch with three of them until they all passed.


80 posted on 02/14/2005 9:12:01 AM PST by cubreporter
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