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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Thank you John,

Speaking from Italy, I can say that it is tragic that the the party most vociferous in stemming the Islamic tide is the Lega Lombarda which came to prominence on the issue of blocking the uncontrolled immigration of Southern Italians to the North. This discredits the ailing Bossi and his party in the eyes of the mainstream (as perhaps well it should).

Same goes for Le Pen, discredited for his past anti-semitism.

Now the Islamists have an excellent argument. They say "look, look at who's against us!"

Well that's a logical fallacy. If a Nazi or Kim or Bokassa says 2+2 is 4 there's nothing wrong with their math.

It is only natural that Nationalists are more sensitive and take more pride in the culture of their nation. Under normal circumstances they are paranoid, under extreme circumstances they are prescient.

Tolerance is a wonderful thing and to a degree so too is a dash and sprinkling of multi-culturalism. What is a great city without a Chinatown? That does not mean that a whole city must be surrendered to the Chinese.

Thousands, nay millions of guest workers flooded northern Europe (the population of Rotterdam is almost 50% foreign). The first were Italians, Spanish, Greeks, Portughese and Serbs... Troubles? Of course... but their ethos was such that one knew that given time, prosperity, a chance, and some generous "Christian" slack, they and their children would fit in seamlessly.

The same cannot be said of Muslims who come with a Jihading religion, one with no separatuon of church and state and with strict laws binding them to their brothers of Darul Islam (the lands of peace, as opposed to Darul Harb, the lands of war) binding them tighter, far tighter than any allegiance to their host country.

With the Muslims, along with horrendously high crime rates (to such a degree that in many Italian prisons, meat is halal - slaughtered in the Jewish / Muslim way - by default), there are also terrorism and social / cultural tensions coming from demands alien both to our cultures and to our law books.

The French banned the head scarf from their public schools and offices, not out of illiberality, but to protect the Muslimas from the harassment of their own.

Look at your America and CAIR. Ibrahim Hooper openly stated that he has plans for making Islam the dominant religion in the USA. You have plenty of Buddhist Asiatics, Indian Hindus, Sikhs, Orthodox Christians... None would dream of substituting a wonderful constitution, undoubtedly the best in the world, with their religious conception of what a state should be. All try their best to fit. That is the type of diversity that shares without imposing or scheming behind your back.

In my opinion it is indeed tragic and counter-productive that separatist movements or xenophobic groups have co-opted the "cause"... I'm sure the KKK is not too fond of Muslims either.

Here the question is far too broad and deep to be left in the hands of bigots. Because it is not a matter of bigotry. I assure you that if the Arabs were not Muslims but just different people with peaceful, albeit colorful ways, I would be on their side, or perhaps only grousing about too many, too fast... My heart would say "welcome, bring your breads, your teas, your coffees, your spices, your smiles... we'll work it out... Yes of course we will!"

Now it is a matter of fundamental human values, that cut to the core. I cannot abide by millions coming in and sitting in utter, abulic passivity as their preachers call Jews, apes and monkeys, praise suicide bombing, consider women inferior, the sight of hair sinful... who demand special facilities to separate the sexes, who demand bygamy, who feel no allegiance to my flag.

Of course a nationalist would be the first to be upset, but that does not mean we must become diehard nationalists! Anybody in his right mind can see that the ethos invading our shores is stupid and dangerous.

But now PC, instead of conscience defines what "right mind" means... and so right mind means guilt feelings, self-loathing, open arms and open borders even to Aztecs and headhunters who wish to carry on their sacrifices.

I'll take a few hearts ripped out on an altar and a few heads shrunk on the sly in the thickets of Bois du Boulogne any day to a religion that praises children who self-murder for the purpose of killing other children, a religion that promises 72 virgins with permanently self-repairing hymens for their effort.

A rebirth of nationalism is just one little facet of what is required. The real challenge facing our stupidly secularized, PC, death-loving, Arafat-kissing world is a rebirth of values.

Evil and stupidity are powerless unto themselves, but extremely cunning in filling voids. We love only our wine, but no longer care for the vine. They have no wine, but jealously guard their fruitless and poison vine.

We launch silly new Jumbo Jets too big and heavy for most airports, but worry not about empty baby carriages. We have special ambulances delivering condoms to anybody in need of them, be they straight or gay, they make children.

Our culture is derisive of anything that smacks of God, family, country... They remain close knit and faithful, praying in unison so as to be counted and when the time comes, when the critical mass is reached, CALLED to action.

We show no appreciation for the wonderful Judeo-Christian ethos that brought us out of savagery... they have Sharia laws passed by Sweden and Canada, and Christmas trees removed from Padua.

We hate ourselves and are trained to feel guilt... They are proud and shameless.

Anybody see a problem?

Ciao


18 posted on 02/12/2005 8:39:02 AM PST by Hudobna
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To: Hudobna
Thanks for your contribution! I don't know too much here about the so-called "far-right" parties in Europe. An exception being the BNP, the British National Party, who seem to be, from top to bottom, a bunch of fascist thugs.

I would imagine the next election around in various European countries, the "far-right" will do surprisingly well. Not well enough to rule, but enough where the party that forms the new government will have to either incorporate some of the "far-right" party members in the new government, or accept some of their policies in their platform.

Look for these parties to be called racist, fascist, and of course Islamophobic by the self-loathing PC left and the Islamists. However, there was nothing racist, in my opionion, with the political stands of Pim Fortuyn's List in the Netherlands. But the Islamists will attempt to link such groups to Neo Nazis, and of course the British National Party and LePen's National Front.

19 posted on 02/12/2005 10:17:43 AM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Hudobna

Mr. Bastin, who converted to Islam in 1972 after a spiritual quest led him to Morocco, dismisses the far right's fears of an Islamization of Europe, even if he does dream of an Islamic theocracy governing the Continent someday.

"Were not talking about Shariah now," he said, referring to the Islamic legal code that fundamentalist Muslims believe should be the foundation of society. "Were talking about Belgian Muslims being recognized on the same footing as other confessions and ideologies."

DON'T LET THIS MARLARKY FOOL YOU - TRANSLATION - WE ARE GOING TO USE YOUR DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS TO SLOWLY BUT SURELY IMPOSE OUR VERY UNDEMOCRATIC TOTALATARIAN THEOCRACY ON YOUR CONTINENT AND YOU EUROS WERE CO-OPERATING SO NICELY, NOW SOME OF YOU ARE WAKING UP, DAMN


20 posted on 02/12/2005 10:19:56 AM PST by llama hunter
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