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To: ninenot
You may have missed the point. Burke is trying to tell these people that their stiff-necked resistance to the rule of Canon Law will (WILL!!!) endanger their salvation

Over a piece of property? I doubt a dispute over a piece of property is jeopardizing anybody's immortal soul. Besides, they can receive the sacraments at another parish where they are not known.

115 posted on 02/15/2005 5:55:40 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur

Yup, Sinky, over a piece of property.

Check the Decalogue, which hasn't changed all that much. Your position amounts to "[those parishioners] stole it, FAIR AND SQUARE."

But, Sink, they DID steal it...


134 posted on 02/15/2005 6:56:32 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur
Not over a piece of real estate nor over a piece of property plus multimillion dollars in other assets, but they are interdicted over their rank disobedience in defiance of the diocesan ordinary AFTER (apparently) decisions within the RCC ecclesiastical court system in which the interdicted corporate directors LOST. If they have not lost in the Church courts already, they ought to litigate there so they can lose there and move this process along.

BTW, the old Canon Law provided an automatic excommunication for anyone suing the Church in the secular court system (bringing the Church under the jurisdiction of the gummint courts and subject the Church to discovery for fishing expeditions into Church records). JP II has been entirely too kind to the miscreants by removing the automatic excommuncation.

Finally, the unworthy receiving of the Eucharist by the directors of this rebellious corporation is itself the grave matter which necessarily underlies mortal sin. There are obviously requirements of knowledge of gravity and intent. Intent seems clear in such an event. Their only out would seem to be ignorance and that ought not to be wilful. They can also embezzle the funds of others entrusted to them (a mere??? property crime and sin), rob banks, desecrate the Eucharist, rape, abort or engage in lavender, ummmm, relations if they so choose. That some bad behavior may be chosen by anyone merely reflects the free will bestowed on each of us by God. That one has free will does not guarantee salvation despite unrepented gravely immoral behavior.

182 posted on 02/15/2005 2:20:25 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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