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Russia calls on OSCE to send mission to Northern Ireland (payback for Britian and Pankisi?)
AFP ^ | Fri Feb 11,10:36 AM ET

Posted on 02/12/2005 12:28:25 PM PST by jb6

VIENNA (AFP) - Russia has urged the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE (news - web sites)) to send a mission to Northern Ireland after the "serious setback" in the peace process there, diplomats said.

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The proposal, which comes amid a simmering dispute between the 55-member state OSCE and Russia, has met with a cool response from Britain.

Russia's deputy ambassador to the permanent council of the OSCE, Boris Timokhov, on Thursday said his country wished "to express its concern at the latest serious setback in the process of bringing about a settlement of the Northern Ireland question".

He said he was referring to the decision by the Irish Republican Army (news - web sites) (IRA) on February 2 to withdrew its offer to disarm in anger at accusations that it had masterminded a pre-Christmas bank robbery in Belfast.

"We propose that an OSCE fact-finding mission should be sent to Northern Ireland for the purpose of conducting an in-depth study of all the circumstances surrounding the current exacerbation of the long-standing conflict," Timokhov said in a statement.

He added that the OSCE should probe the "instances of disproportionate use of armed force by the army and the police that have occurred there."

The OSCE's main focus is conflict-resolution and the protection of democracy and human rights.

Its election-monitoring missions in eastern Europe and notably in the Ukraine, have in recent months earned it the wrath of Moscow, which accuses the body of having become a mouthpiece for Washington and concerning itself only with conflicts "east of Vienna".

Britain's ambassador to the OSCE said in response that "although an imperfect peace exists, enormous progress has been made" in resolving the Northern Ireland question.

He asked Timokhov to explain what the proposed OSCE mission would do, adding that he should "bear in mind that this problem has been extensively examined by many distinguished personalities over the years."


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1 posted on 02/12/2005 12:28:29 PM PST by jb6
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Russia angers Britain over N.Irish abuse charges

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VIENNA (Reuters) - Russia has angered Britain by saying a fact-finding mission should look into the "disproportionate" use of force by police and soldiers in Northern Ireland, documents obtained by Reuters show.

Russia's remarks to a closed-door meeting at the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in Vienna were its latest criticism of what it sees as double standards towards Moscow among Western countries at the OSCE.

Diplomats say Russia dislikes the OSCE's criticism of its democratic and human rights record and feels the organisation, Europe's biggest security and human rights watchdog, focuses too much on countries "east of Vienna".

"An OSCE fact-finding mission should be sent to Northern Ireland for the purpose of conducting an in-depth study of all the circumstances surrounding the current exacerbation of this long-standing conflict," Russia's acting permanent envoy to the OSCE, Boris Timokhov, said in a statement obtained by Reuters.

Human rights bodies have criticised Russia for its rights record in the southern republic of Chechnya, where it is fighting separatist rebels.

The European Union has in the past condemned what it called abuses by Russian security forces in Chechnya, including forced disappearances, extrajudicial executions and torture.

Timokhov told the OSCE on Thursday that Russia was concerned at the situation in Northern Ireland after the Irish Republican Army withdrew an offer to disarm earlier this month,

The mission should consider "the acts of terrorism and the instances of a disproportionate use of armed force by the army and the police that have occurred there", he said, adding that the findings could help mediators involved in the province.

Britain's ambassador refuted Timokhov's statement on excessive force.

"There are many problems in Northern Ireland, but use of excessive force is not one of them," British Ambassador Colin Munro said in his response, also obtained by Reuters.

While Russia said it was acting out of concern for European security and stability, one diplomat said it was simply angry at the 55-nation OSCE, which has denounced elections in Russia and neighbouring countries as falling short of democratic standards.

"They're fed up with the Western countries lecturing them about human rights, especially since not all Western countries have perfect records in that department," an OSCE diplomat said.

Ireland's ambassador said in his response that the added value of an OSCE mission was "not immediately apparent".


2 posted on 02/12/2005 12:33:00 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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Inside Story: World Report
November 1994

IRA Launches a New Offensive


Since 1990, Great Britain has been traumatized by a renewed wave of terrorism. Using primarily high-powered explosives, the Irish Republican Army (IRA) has unleashed a series of indiscriminate attacks in Northern Ireland. One bomb injured 27 people in "a crowded shopping area" during the Christmas season.1 In another incident, a ton of explosives wounded twelve residents and five police officers in a small town.2

England itself has not been exempt. The IRA has expanded its war right into London itself; in one six-day period, a series of eight bombings kept the city in a daily state of fear. Explosions have been set off in crowded subway stations and shopping centers, sometimes with multiple bombings hitting different targets on the same day. By mid-1993, police were forced to establish permanent roadblocks around downtown London.3

Then, on August 31 of this year, the IRA suddenly announced a unilateral cease-fire, although Gerry Adams, head of the IRA's political front (Sinn Fein), refused to declare the "peace" permanent. Nevertheless, British Prime Minister John Major waited a mere seven weeks, then made his own announcement-that, for the first time, the government of England would negotiate openly with the IRA. He also promised that British troops would ultimately be withdrawn from Northern Ireland.4

The news media and the British government are treating the IRA truce as if it were a genuine abandonment of terrorism by the organization. But the lessons of history have already been forgotten; this is not the first time the IRA has temporarily halted its violence for tactical reasons. Previously, such IRA moves have turned out to be the calm before the storm, always leading to new escalations of terror.

The most spectacular use of this technique in recent decades was carried out in 1972. Following a nearly two-year campaign of snipings and bombings by the IRA, the group agreed to a truce with British forces in June 1972. Two minutes before the truce began, the IRA assassinated yet another British soldier. The "ceasefire" itself was marked by sporadic shootings and bombings. Then, four weeks after the truce was declared the IRA ended it, setting off 22 bombs in downtown Belfast in just an hour and a quarter; panicked crowds of Irish fled from one explosion to another. Thus began more than a decade of protracted terrorist warfare.5

The performance was repeated in the late 1980s. In 1986, Sinn Fein changed policy and began participating as a political party in the parliament of the Republic of Ireland. This move was followed by a reduction in terrorist violence.6 But just as Northern Ireland was adapting to the relative calm, IRA terrorism burst onto the scene again in 1990, launching the renewed violence of the past four years.

Why does the IRA perform such maneuvers? What are its real goals? A closer look at the organization reveals that it is carrying out a Communist war of terrorism, designed to convert Ireland into a Soviet base. If Britons will remain paralyzed by their belief in the "death" of Communism, the IRA will soon succeed.



A Communist revolution...

In 1920, Soviet dictator and Communist strategist V.I. Lenin called for an expanded Communist revolution in Ireland.7 For its part, the Official IRA has never hid its Communist allegiance, and has openly called for "an Irish Socialist Republic allied with the Soviet Union." In the 1920s, its representatives went to the Soviet Union for arms and other help.8 During World War II, the IRA even met with top Nazi leaders, who allocated one U-boat to the IRA and worked with the group in trying to infiltrate German spies into Ireland.9 In the 1960s, the Soviets made the decision to escalate the revolution in Ireland, and the KGB soon sent officers to supervise the IRA-including Vladimir Kozov of the KGB's Department V, which handled "assassinations and sabotage." The Communist Parties of Britain and Ireland became transmission belts for Soviet directives for the IRA, and the Cuban DGI agreed to train the terrorists.10

But the Official IRA's main drawback was its overt Marxism-Leninism. The Soviets preferred to disguise the nature of the revolution by using a group less publicly recognized as Communist. The answer emerged in 1969, in the form of a breakaway faction known as the Provisional IRA.

Despite the less Marxist image of the "Provos," as they were called, their new group's formation had been inspired by the group People's Democracy, a Communist "civil rights" front. The founders of People's Democracy, Bernadette Devlin and Michael Farell, were members of the Trotskyite Fourth International and advocates of revolutionary violence. People's Democracy has functioned as a front for the Provisional IRA, and Devlin has been a leading spokesperson for the IRA movement. As Devlin put it, the IRA's war against England was not being fought merely over Northern Ireland, but was "an integral part of the international working-class movement" [emphasis added].11

As if to confirm its Marxist bent, the Provisional IRA declared it was fighting for a radical socialist system in Ireland, in which all key economic sectors would be nationalized and the rest tightly controlled by the government. Agriculture would also be seized, with farmers being forced to operate on collective farms and ranches. The head of Sinn Fein in the 1970s, Ruairi O'Bradaigh, explained that the new system would be "a Democratic Socialist Republic... Marxist in analysis... similar to Communism."12

The Provos have consistently been dominated by such leaders as Brian Keenan, an outspoken Marxist and supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The current leader of Sinn Fein and the IRA, Gerry Adams, is also a Marxist who idolizes Robert Mugabe, the brutal Communist dictator of Zimbabwe. Adams personally supports the terrorist African National Congress (ANC) of South Africa and the PLO; in a 1985 speech, he referred to "Israel's policy of genocide against the Palestinian people" and declared that an IRA-controlled Irish government would ally itself with the PLO.13

By 1971 the Soviets were pouring vast amounts of aid into the Provisional IRA, which soon grew to replace the Official IRA as the vanguard of the revolution. Under KGB control, Czechoslovakia began sending guns, ammunition, and explosives by the ton. Rocket launchers were also included. KGB front organizations such as the International Union of Students, the World Federation of Democratic Youth, and the World Peace Council launched a global propaganda campaign on behalf of the Provos. Communist terrorist groups from around the world, including the Basque ETA of Spain, the Baader-Meinhof gang of West Germany, the Red Brigades of Italy, and many others, developed close ties with the IRA. The IRA, in turn, publicly declared solidarity with the Sandinistas of Nicaragua, the FMLN guerrillas of El Salvador, the ANC, and especially the PLO.

The PLO took on the responsibility of training the IRA terrorists. Yasser Arafat's Fatah and George Habash's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) brought IRA members to training camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and South Yemen, where Cubans and East Germans provided instruction. The PLO welcomed IRA representatives to its top organizing meetings. Habash officially allied himself with the IRA, and soon the PLO was also funneling vast quantities of weapons to the Provos.

Muammar Qaddafi, the Soviet-sponsored dictator of Libya, joined in with both weapons and money. Through Libya, the Soviets sent additional tons of bombs and guns to the IRA; the IRA's journal, An Phoblacht, publicly thanked Qaddafi and praised his dictatorship. IRA terrorists were trained under Cubans in Libyan training camps, and by the late 1970s Libya was sending the IRA at least $5 million per year in cash.14

Through these various intermediaries, the Soviets put tens of thousands of guns, millions of rounds of ammunition, and tons of TNT and plastic explosives into IRA hands. The IRA revolution has been built on Soviet, not Irish, support.



... takes aim at Ireland...

Too many outsiders have swallowed the propaganda that the IRA is fighting for the liberation of Irish Catholics. In reality, the Soviet-supplied guns and explosives have been turned against the Irish themselves.

As with all Communist revolutions, the IRA must create an appearance of popular support. In this, the IRA has faced an uphill struggle; the Catholic Church historically opposed IRA violence, and the Irish people-Catholic and Protestant alike-tended to ignore the revolution. "The Catholic community, like the whole community here in the North, is sick and tired of the Provisional IRA," said the frustrated Bishop of Londonberry in 1978.15

The IRA moved to solve this problem-through intimidation and terror. In 1970, any Irish caught fraternizing with British soldiers faced implicit threats:

Housewives who persisted in giving out cups of tea found their homes daubed with slogans. Young girls foolish enough to socialise with off-duty squaddies had their heads roughly razored... and were tied to lamp-posts with badly-lettered placards announcing their crime around their necks.16

After a few warnings, the IRA turned ugly. The organization assumed police powers unto itself, but crimes against Irish people went lightly punished at best. However, suspected informants among Irish Catholic civilians were "convicted" in absentia, chased down, and shot in the back of the head. For added emphasis, "the bodies of executed informers are deliberately left in public places as a warning to others."17

As the IRA extended its control over Northern Ireland, it began waging open war against the population. Shops and cooperatives were destroyed by nonstop firebombings; next came private homes. In one town attacked by the IRA, "twelve families [lost] most or all of their belongings," one Catholic bishop angrily reported. "Fifty-eight people were left homeless, including a family of ten, and the refugees ranged from a ninety-six-year-old man to a six-month-old child.... Perpetrators of these bombings are guilty of cowardly and totally immoral actions against defenseless, harmless people."18

Soon even failure to join the IRA became a "crime," punishable by a permanent crippling known as "kneecapping": "Victims were taken to one of Belfast's many stretches of wasteland, forced to lie down, then shot through the back of the legs with a small calibre pistol. The punishment squad then called an ambulance." The victims were often women or children. Sometimes shooting was replaced by beating the knees or elbows with sticks and iron bars. Then came the Black and Decker drills, which did the job more slowly. Then IRA teams began using concrete blocks, dropped onto a victim's oustretched arm to break the elbow.19

By 1986, over one thousand Irish Catholics had already been kneecapped, enough to require the building of a special hospital for these victims. This is in addition to over 3,000 people killed and another 12,000 wounded or handicapped by the IRA's war of national liberation.20

After 25 years of war, the Provisional IRA has thoroughly intimidated the population of Northern Ireland, and is now prepared to move into the final stage of its revolution.



... to surround Europe.

Contrary to the popular picture of the IRA as a liberation movement for Irish Catholics, the IRA itself has long promised war against the Catholic government of the Republic of Ireland. This is also despite the fact that the independent Dublin government allows the IRA nearly total freedom to operate in its country, using the South as a base of operations against Northern Ireland.

"We do not want a confederation of the South with the North," emphasized Sinn Fein leader O'Bradaigh. "Nor do we want an independent Ulster. We want a general dismantling of the existing Establishments in the Irish Republic and Ulster both."

An Phoblacht was even more blunt. "Both the Quisling regime in the Free State and the colonial regime in the Northern war zone have failed to produce a lasting solution. The war will continue until these structures are demolished." In another interview, Provo leaders revealed their aim of total Communist revolution: "We must educate the workers to destabilize capitalism in the whole of Ireland through armed atruggle."21

Trotskyite spokesman Michael Farell, affiliated with the IRA movement, explained the revolution's real purpose:

Victory in the north means not just defeat of the Loyalists and the unity of Ireland, but also the collapse of the government in the south and an anti-imperialist revolution in that country. And a revolution in Ireland could have incalculable consequences in disturbing the United Kingdom and, considering the crisis of Western capitalism, in all Europe.22

Although the IRA has not yet launched a full-scale revolution in the Irish Republic, it has at times conducted bank robberies and kidnappings in the territory of southern Ireland.23 Furthermore, the IRA already has an extensive network in the South ready to explode on a moment's notice. In 1986, Sinn Fein decided to participate in the parliament of the Irish Republic, signalling preparations to begin the takeover of that country. IRA leader Gerry Adams, moreover, suggested that violence would be an indispensable tool.24

The current IRA "truce" represents no change in the organization's 25-year goal-the establishment of a Soviet-aligned Communist state in all Ireland. Indeed, the imminent negotiations between the IRA and the British government will prove to be merely the calm before the storm, for the IRA will unleash a new wave of terrorism once London makes concessions. Such tactics will heighten the pressure on London while paving the way for anarchy and the seizure of power in southern Ireland. And if Ireland falls to the IRA, becoming a "People's Republic," the Soviets will have established an important military base next to England; it could prove a valuable strategic asset to the Red Army as it occupies Western Europe.

Rather than surrendering Ireland at the negotiating table, Britain could counteract the IRA at its source. According to one IRA member, "The worst-kept secret in Belfast is that our salaries come from the British government. Republican [IRA] volunteers are mostly young men living on the dole." Britain spends over $5 billion per year more on Northern Ireland than is received in taxes from that country.25 Cutting back this socialism could deprive the IRA of its payroll. If the United States would also cut off the tens of billions of dollars in aid, and the enormous flow of heavy industry and high technology, sent each year to the "former" Soviet Union, the IRA would soon find itself without finances or guns.

President Clinton, on the other hand, is publicly applauding the surrender to the IRA, even as he steps up aid to the PLO and Russia.n



REFERENCES



1 Reuters, "IRA blast injures 27," S.F. Chronicle, 12-2-92, p. A10.

2 "Bomb injures 17 in Northern Ireland," S.F. Chronicle, 7-6-93, p. A8.

3 Schmidt, W.E., "Bomb tied to IRA, the 8th in 6 days, injures 5 Londoners," N.Y. Times, 10-13-92, pp. A5-6; "8 people wounded by two bomb blasts in Northern London," N.Y. Times, 12-11-92, pp. A3, A9; N.Y. Times, "Anti-terrorist roadblocks set up in Central London," S.F. Chronicle, 7-6-93, p. A8.

4 Darnton, J., N.Y. Times, "Major finally recognizes IRA truce," S.F. Chronicle, 10-22-94, pp. A1, A15.

5 Bishop, P. & Mallie, E., The Provisional IRA, Corgi Books, London, 1992, pp. 231-232; Sterling, C., The Terror Network, Holt, Rinehart, & Winston, New York, 1981, pp. 164-165.

6 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., p. 15.

7 Lenin, V.I., "Left-Wing" Communism, an Infantile Disorder, International Publishers, New York, 1940, pp. 72,.79-80.

8 Sterling, Op cit., pp. 155-156.

9 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., pp. 302-303.

10 Sterling, Op cit., p. 156.

11 Ibid., p. 157; Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., pp. 78-81, 335.

12 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., p. 329; Sterling, Op cit., p. 168.

13 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., pp. 304-305, 318; Holland, Op cit., pp. 56-57.

14 Sterling, Op cit., chapter 9 passim; Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., pp. 305-308; Holland, J., The American Connection, Penguin Books, New York, 1987, pp. 55-57.

15 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., pp. 149-150, 171-172; Sterling, Op cit., p. 170.

16 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., p. 172.

17 Ibid., pp. 178-179, 400-404.

18 Ibid., p. 179; Sterling, Op cit., p. 170.

19 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., pp. 400-401; Sterling, Op cit., p. 171.

20 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., p. 400; Sterling, Op cit., p 151; N.Y. Times, "Sinn Fein leader played a skillful hand," S.F. Chronicle, 9-2-94, p. A20.

21 Sterling, Op cit., pp. 151, 168, 169.

22 Ibid., p. 157.

23 Ibid., p. 152; Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., p. 243; Holland, Op cit., p. 61.

24 Bishop & Mallie, Op cit., p. 449.

25 Viviano, F., "In Northern Ireland, peace could hurt," S.F. Chronicle, 10-26-94, pp. A1, A15.


3 posted on 02/12/2005 12:33:36 PM PST by TapTheSource
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NOTE. IRA-Russian connection.


4 posted on 02/12/2005 12:37:09 PM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The Chinese military is the opposition force. Traitors at home aid and abet them.)
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WTF???!!!
5 posted on 02/12/2005 12:38:16 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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The current IRA "truce" represents no change in the
organization's 25-year goal-the establishment of a
Soviet-aligned Communist state in all Ireland. Indeed, the
imminent negotiations between the IRA and the British
government will prove to be merely the calm before the
storm, for the IRA will unleash a new wave of terrorism
once London makes concessions. Such tactics will
heighten the pressure on London while paving the way for
anarchy and the seizure of power in southern Ireland. And
if Ireland falls to the IRA, becoming a "People's Republic,"
the Soviets will have established an important military
base next to England; it could prove a valuable strategic
asset to the Red Army as it occupies Western Europe.




This is an article that needs to be read.


6 posted on 02/12/2005 12:42:39 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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Please help me to understand this obsession there seems to be with anything regarding Russia on this forum. There are just a few who constantly push these articles, and this agenda. Russia has ceased to be a major player in the world in my opinion and if they deserve this much time then the reason has escaped me. Russia and Communism's time is over and there are so many other things going on the world today.

Do any other FReepers feel the same way?

7 posted on 02/12/2005 12:47:05 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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TapTheSource/FearGodNotMen/GIJoel Propaganda
Propaganda Truth
Putin is a communist Putin has implemented a flat tax of 13%, got rid of the Sales tax, set the corporate tax at 24%, cut the VAT in half, cut 1/3rd off the payroll tax. He has cut back on government size (shrinking government). He has put up 20% of Russian land for sale, the government is in the process of divesting of the remainder of its shares in various companies. There has been judicial reform to a sitting jury from a triumvirate of judges. There has also been a total reform of the banking center, in order to make it transparent.
Russia and China are allied to destroy the US Russia has recently passed up China for an oil export route and choose instead Japan. China had to turn to Iran. Russia is rearming in Siberia, while she arms India with over 400 new tanks, a wing of new aircraft, two nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier to intercept Chinese shipping. Russia has armed S.Korea with T-90s, armed Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Kazakhstan. Russia has attempted (by itself and through the US) to arm Taiwan also. The majority of weapons sold to China are aimed at the US navy, to which China will not be able to catch up for at least another generation.
Russia trains with China to destroy the US/West This year alone, Russia has had joint maneuvers with Japan & S.Korea and then again with the US and UK off the Chinese Coast.
There is a Putin pandering mafia after me. There is a dedicated group of Freepers who are out to expose this propagandist's lies and distortions, for which he has already been banned twice.
If you are against me you must be a (take your choice) A. communist, B. Putin lover, C. Russian Orthodox, D. Russian, E. Delusional, F. All of the Above G. None of the Above. You must be a lover of truth and a hater of yellow journalism, empty conspiracy theories and plain propaganda.
The FSB/Russians are behind all the terrorism, including the theater and Beslan. Only someone blind or shilling for Islam would on a continuous basis shift blame away from the terrorists and onto the victims.
Russia is giving Iran nukes. Wrong. Russia is providing a civilian nuclear reactor with a contract to return spent rods. Do most of us agree with this? No, we are against this. Is this nuclear weapons technology? No. Our allie Pakistan with the assistance of our Most Valued Trading partner China are giving Iran missile and bomb technology.
Russia, and Putin in particular, hate Israel and wish to destroy it. Wrong. Russia is Israel's second closest allie and trading partner and provides Israel with most of its oil and sells it weapons technology.
Putin is an Atheist, a hater of Christ. Putin was baptized as a child, a regular church goer and has proven his faith on numerous occasions.
Russia supports Islamic terrorism. Wrong. The Soviet Union supported socialist Arab revolutionaries/terrorists like the Palestinian People's Liberation Front. Modern day Russia does not support these groups. Our allie Saudi Arabia is the number one backer of all major Islamic groups.
Putin is a dictator Putin was popularly elected with over 70% of the vote, a mandate. He functions within a constitution. True Parliament is dominated by pro-Putin right wing parties, also elected freely. The various right parties received over 83% of the vote.
Putin hates Bush. Putin has been Bush's loudest cheerleader, louder and in front of Sharon, Blair or Berlusconi
Putin is moving to grab power through selecting governors. The governors still have to pass the local Oblast's Parliament's review (that's province). Further, England, Italy and France all have the same systems.
Robert W. Lee another TapTheSource writers are credible. Hardly, most like Mr. Lee, belong to the John Birch society, an organization steeped in conspiracy theories.
Yeltsin's declaration of open borders is a hollow one for Soviet citizens, who still cannot leave their country. Even travel outside the Soviet Union is heavily restricted, regardless of the Soviet republic Typical propaganda leveled by TapTheSource or his articles. Anyone without a criminal warrant can leave at will, so long as the receiving nation will issue a Visa.
The Secret Soviets are still in charge and everything is part of their plan. Lets take this lunacy to its full extent: The Soviets in their diabolic mysterious master plan allowed the Warsaw pact to collapse, the countries to open up and half of them to join NATO (I guess to corrupt NATO from within, regardless that it is those new NATO members that support America now and most of old NATO that is against America, lets ignore that fact). They allowed the Soviet Union itself to fall apart, some of which is also now part of NATO. They allowed the military to degrade, trade secrets to be sold or stolen, Chinese immigrants to come in mass into southern Siberia. Most of their bases to shut down. The economy to dive and only grow again under Capitalism freer then America's. They further allowed the young to not even know who Lenin was, for Islamics (who are all pawns of the Soviets, you see) to attack Russia on a daily basis. All this so that once America was the only apparent supper power, had its military in 120+ nations they could do what? Spring their surprise offensive? Materialize the great invasion army from outer space or outer Mongolia? Or marry enough American men to convert them (think body snatchers) into 5th Columnists and take over the US from inside? (of course that more people then ever voted Republican is also part of their master and evil plan). As a matter of fact, everything that happens that makes this theory look ludicrous for the past 15 years, well that's just part of the brilliance of their master plan. Oh and did we mention that they were obviously able to make Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. into a bunch of idiots who could not see into their plan. So either this is all BS, or every American expert in the government and politician is an idiot and we as a nation are a bunch of idiots (except for the members of the John Birth Society, the only masters of the illuminate able to see this grand Jewish .. erg .. Russian conspiracy.
Russia is a dirt poor country. Russia ranks, according to the CIA World FactBook GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.282 trillion (2003 est.), which places it just behind (now ahead) of Italy, the world's 7th largest economy. Explaining Purchasing Power Parity
Anna Politkovskaya is a reputable Russian journalist who is fighting Putin's facism. Hardly. Anna Politkovskaya is an opportunist and a leftist. Having become a "political" refugee in the early 1990s, she now has FRENCH citizenship, writes for the socialist La Monde and the socialist Novaye Gazeta. She has staged several of her own "assassination" attempts to better her street credits while meeting constantly with Chechin and Al Quida terrorists and writing gushing love stories of them. Further, anyone who thinks that just because she hates Putin she is pro Bush, you couldn't be more wrong. She is in league with the devil incarnate, Soros, and hates Bush as much. A leftist is a leftist, but judge for yourself and read her views of Bush and the CONSERVATIVES of AMERICA. COWBOY FRIENDS (Praise for Moore)
Russia is a nation that only relies on oil. A total lie, mostly spread by Wahhabi islamic Saudi Arabia and various NeoCons who favor US investment to Facist (and pro-Islamic) China. Read here about the state of the Russian economy that is now returning as a major industrial and IT power. Russia competes directly with India on IT and has had manufacturing climbing at an incredible rate. Financ e Ministry to work on debt payment schedule Budget surplus higher than planned Person al incomes rise in Russia Most state enterprises to be privatized by 2007 Genera l Electric plans to invest $200m in Russia Person al incomes up in September Data on industrial production posted Russia 's foreign trade reported Gov 't considering airfield privatizations Russia posts increase in industrial production Russia 's foreign debt reaches six year low Russia 's debt to drop to 23% of GDP Russia leads in GDP growth Export s to play more important role in Russian economy
Ion Mihai Pacepa is a credible source. Ion Mihai Pacepa was a 2-Star General in the Romanian KGB. The man made a career of upholding the second worst dictatorship Cecescu, in the Warsaw Pact, second only to Stalin's SU. He spent some 30 years building this murderer's power base. Obviously Pacepa was smart enough to read the writing on the way and see the end coming. He "defected" and now makes money writing books and articles. He never stood trial for his evil crimes, after the Romanian Revolution, even as his former master was executed.
The dramatic rise of oil prices, in April-September 2002, gave Kremlin new chances for survival. Only if one ignores the 6-7% growth rates of 200 & 2001 and the tripling of revenues from the 13% flat tax in 2001.
Russia greatly expanded military supplies to China; in January-August 2002, the two countries concluded weapons supply contracts Moscow is in the business of selling weapons, second largest after America. Thus, when China, rich with American cash from the giant trade deficit, ordered weapons from Russia, Israel and France. Russia did not give away "supplies" but sold weapons systems. They also sold weapons systems to India, Indonesia, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Greece, Cyprus, Malaysia, Thailand and a host of other nations.
During August and the first half of September, Russia\x{2019}s Defense Ministry and Foreign Ministry made a series of tough anti-Georgian statements, using as a pretext "the presence of Chechen terrorists in the Pankisi Gorge" (a small valley in Georgia bordering Russia). In the beginning of September, Russian bombers made a strike in Georgian territory. The Pankisi Gorge is an area about half the size of W.Virgina, covered in some of the highest mountains and some of the deepest valleys of the world. Mostly unpopulated and forested, it is used as a training base for Islamics. Recently those none existent islamics perpetrated Beslan and Baseyov himself stated or boasted that he is allied to President Sakaashvili, president of Georgia and a Soros puppet. The strikes were made at early dawn by SU-25s, an impossability for Russia, since to reach it, it's closest SU-25s would have to have taken off and flow at night. Being a second rate SU, after the SU-33s, it is a day light capable only fighter/bomber. Georgia, on the other hand, has built several SU-25s with Israeli assistance that have state of the art night capabilities. Furthermore, no hard proof of the bombing was ever presented by the Georgian government, only recycled photos from 5 years prior.
And on Sept. 11, Putin himself threatened Georgia with a heavy military strike if the Georgian government didn\x{2019}t meet Russia\x{2019}s demands. Again, Washington protested, again with no results. This was in response to a demand that Georgia stop granting visas, protection and support to Chechins, Arabs and other Islamics in the Pankisi Gorge and was limited to Russia stepping into that territory itself. This, after Georgia's only and now formally independent TV Station reported the presence of the terrorists, embarressing then President Shevernadze.
This is an ever growing list to bring the truth forward and fight the lies of these propagandists and Allah cheerleaders.
8 posted on 02/12/2005 12:49:43 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: libs_kma

==Do any other FReepers feel the same way?

Nope, not this FReeper. I believe in the exact opposite of what you just said when it comes to the Soviets (err...Russians...Red China...etc).


9 posted on 02/12/2005 12:51:02 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: jb6

Uh-oh...The chart is coming, the chart is coming!!!


10 posted on 02/12/2005 12:52:51 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: jb6
Is that from "Russianconservative's" profile page?

(Curious Smiley.)

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

11 posted on 02/12/2005 1:13:56 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: jb6; TapTheSource

...very interesting news (or not news). So the former Soviet, now Russian Federation outpost (the IRA) didn't really dissolve. It was only taking a break.


12 posted on 02/12/2005 1:22:21 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; TapTheSource
With Iran, Syria, the IRA and Venezuela in mind, the conspicuousness of intent of some governments continues to amaze me. [shaking head]


13 posted on 02/12/2005 1:39:05 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: MadIvan
Ping! ...news of interest on the IRA, Russian, etc.
14 posted on 02/12/2005 1:44:49 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: familyop

They have no say. There are many things I like about Russia - the language, the opera, and the history. But Vladimir is overreaching here.

Regards, Ivan


15 posted on 02/12/2005 1:53:53 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan

a bit of a double standard if you notice Britain and Europe complain about Chechnya but the reverse Russia complaining in retaliation is ridiculed...


16 posted on 02/12/2005 2:39:04 PM PST by eluminate
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To: eluminate
a bit of a double standard if you notice Britain and Europe complain about Chechnya but the reverse Russia complaining in retaliation is ridiculed...

There is the matter of scale. Belfast does not resemble Groznii in Chechnya.

I personally am not inclined to complain about what Russia does in Chechnya...the Chechens lost any claim to international sympathy with their association with Al Qaeda and the Beslan massacre.

Regards, Ivan

17 posted on 02/12/2005 2:41:05 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: jb6
Russia has urged the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE (news - web sites)) to send a mission to Northern Ireland after the "serious setback" in the peace process there

Next step could be sheltering and supporting the most radical IRA militants (as UK does with Islamists from Chechnya)

18 posted on 02/12/2005 3:05:01 PM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: jb6
It's funny how the English always think they are so special. N. Ireland is UK's Kosovo that has taken ten times more lives (mostly civilians) then Kosovo, yet nothing was ever done about it by the overly concerned "international community." Everyone was willing to look the other way not to embarrass England.

The fact is, UK is not capable of solving its problem with Northern Ireland. The place is occupied by British forces, just as Serbia was accused of occupying its own Kosovo, but the only thing that's keeping N.Ireland in UK is brute force of self-occupation.

I suggest England recall the special envoy to Bosnia, that neo-Nazi Paddy Ashdown, and let him try to solve the problem in his own back yard.

The fact is, the UN should have taken over in N.Ireland long time ago, were it not for the "sensitivities" of offending one of the "indispensable" nations the English still believe they are.

For the life of me, I can't understand why are Scotland and Whales still England's coattails. But at least the Irish are strong enough to fight for their own.

19 posted on 02/12/2005 4:02:01 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Who's? My page is my page, didn't copy it from anyone. Or are you talking about my chart? In which case, sorry but that's personal work, not some one elses.


20 posted on 02/12/2005 4:27:03 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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