Alan Keyes' daughter out of the closet and out of the house

The Illinois Leader ^ | Feb 14, 2005 | The Leader-Chicago Bureau

[Modernman]

According to whose standards?

The standards of pretty much any employer in this country looking at two comparable resumes and deciding who to hire.

[woofie]

wow.... today is Gay News Day

[JCEccles]

In this case, the causation is firmed and fixed. You can argue it until you are extinct.

And you probably will.

[Varda]

Not Penn State or Notre Dame etc, there are other schools if education is the right thing to do in that moment. A kid with these problems has more important issues to work through than education. This particular girl strikes me as terribly troubled. Her other behavior (and coupled with this) seems very personally hostile to her father.

[Modernman]

"Modernman" in a gay tolerant society is on the path to becoming "extinctman."

A society that can be brought down by the fact that some guys in San Francisco are doing each other is probably a society that doesn't deserve to continue.

I have more faith in the USA than you do, if you think our society is so weak.

[papertyger]

"Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me".

Apparently for all the bible thumping that goes around on this board the quote about judging others seems to be left out.

If your application of this Scripture is sound, perhaps you'd care to expound on how one may " Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you," without making a "judgment?"

[HairOfTheDog]

There are a number of destructive behaviors that can put us in the dust bin of history.

Overbreeding and our tendency to pave everything is far more destructive IMHO.

[JCEccles]

The standards of pretty much any employer in this country looking at two comparable resumes and deciding who to hire.

Again, how do you know that? Have you personally polled the employers of America today?

[GovernmentShrinker]

Keyes is a nutcase when it comes to this subject. He is so insanely blinded by his hatred of gays that he gave a speech saying that gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt because the children wouldn't know who their biological parents were, and thus might inadvertently commit incest. He was so desperate to think up reasons to oppose gays doing what they want to do, that he was completely oblivious to the fact that he had just made an argument against allowing ANYONE to adopt, unless both adoptive parents and eventually the child will know who both the child's biological parents are. THAT qualifies as clinical homophobia.

[Modernman]

I disagree. Someone as otherwise liberal as you surprises me when you say that parents should have no choice in the matter.

When have I said parents don't have a choice in whether or not to pay for their kids' schooling?

[Modernman]

How do you know that? Are you Maya Keyes?

No, but what makes you think that not sending her to Brown will do anything to "cure" her homosexuality?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Okay. LOL! That's true you didn't. You did say you thought they owed it to their kid, but you didn't say they had no choice. It was a rather judgmental statement, however, from someone who preaches non-judgmentalism a lot.

[JCEccles]

Denmark, Great Britain, Germany, indeed all of Western Europe is dying. Germany even tries to bribe its healthy young couples to have children. All attempts have been complete failures.

To the extent that there is any growth at all in these countries it is because of immigrants, generally Muslims.

[beezdotcom]

The enabling factor to her lifestyle is the fact that she enjoys having sex with other women. It doesn't matter what college she goes to, she'll still keep doing that.

I know that believing this makes you happier. However, some colleges create a much more robust environment for this to happen than others. Besides, I also included counseling in the equation.

And, she's still free to do anything she wants, including making the choice that she would rather continue to have sex with other women than having her father pay for her education. Is she an adult or a child? If she's an adult, then she's old enough to make that calculation. If she's a child, then the parents still have some jurisdiction over her behavior.

[Sir_Ed]

St. Paul would disagree with you...

He threw homosexuals out of his churches.

Ed

[Modernman]

Again, how do you know that? Have you personally polled the employers of America today?

Nope. But I've interviewed with law firms that refused to interview anyone who was attending a non Ivy League law school.

If you think that the average employer will not be more inclined to hire a Brown versus Penn State graduate, you're not living in the real world.

[JCEccles]

You speak endlessly of matters you do not know, and deny matters obvious to anyone with a lick of common sense.

You asked a question, I answered it; you didn't like it so you ignored it. The mindset you are preaching is a fast track to extinction and annihilation.

I guess that's why you are "Modernman." ;-)

I'm finished for the day. So long.

[bigeasy_70118]

I would say it doesn't apply. Short of threatening the parent with physical harm, one's own daughter should never be viewed as swine.

I understand there is a hatred of all things gay on this board. I am not enitrely comfortable with them either but Keyes' relationship with his daughter is dysfunctional. I would think that most Freepers would offer words of comfort to the family rather than use this issue to rail against the abnormality of the gay lifestyle.

[beezdotcom]

Legalized gay marriage (which I generally oppose, BTW)

Wow. You must be "one of us, a real Joe", then. Thanks for throwing us a bone.

[Varda]

Wow two old leftists' canards, I can hear Jonie Mitchell singing in the background. The "Population Bomb" didn't occur and we didn't pave over paradise.