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Gays Debate Radical Steps to Curb Unsafe Sex
New York Times ^ | 2/14/05 | Andrew Jacobs

Posted on 02/14/2005 8:25:09 PM PST by Callahan

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To: andysandmikesmom; Richard Kimball
I have done hospital nursing for many years and I can tell you that HIV status is not made known to the staff. I worked in an extremely understaffed and wildly busy ICU and had several needle sticks. The paper work to report this was five pages long and then you would have to leave your patients to go to the ER. I usually made an educated judgment as to whether it was crucial to report the stick. Not smart, I know, but sometimes I had no choice.

All our patients had multiple tubes and lots of drainage so you had to be extremely careful but accidents happen. We found out quite by accident about a positive HIV pt from a doctor who had been stuck with a needle during a procedure and was undergoing treatment.

As far as catching HIV from CPR, it has happened. It was documented in the nursing magazines. The woman, a wife and mother eventually died.
81 posted on 02/15/2005 5:06:48 AM PST by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: Callahan
some veterans of the war on AIDS are advocating an entirely new approach to the spread of unsafe sex, much of which is fueled by a surge in methamphetamine abuse. They want to track down those who knowingly engage in risky behavior and try to stop them before they can infect others. It is , that has been gaining ground in recent months as a growing number of gay men become infected despite warnings about unsafe sex.

This is complete intellectual and moral dishonesty from the NY Times and the Homosexual Mafia. What the "radical" procedure proposed is simply Public Health 101, taught in the first week of a simple college course. Moron college freshmen in health sciences majors therefore have more deep insights that the NY Times.

It was also the law, at least until the NY Times and the Homosexual Mafia legally coerced government to violate Public Health basic laws requiring disease tracking plus identification and isolation of vectors.

And so after murdering many millions of lives and utterly wasting untold billions of health care dollars, we have "a radical idea, born of desperation."

I cannot think of a more massive example of Liberalism, and why the democrat party must be destroyed.

82 posted on 02/15/2005 5:37:58 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: Ichneumon
"And why do none of the atheists I know act the way you predict?"

Because they only show you what will make them appear righteous.

And your comment about Jews is incorrect, misleading, and quite unfair. But, you are quite consistent in that regard, so I'm unsurprised.

Let's be more precise: I'm against the first imperative of Kant, and very specifically his comments about the 'Law of Reason' - in effect, it is just another idol, just another version of Baal.

When legalists march against grace, the jack boots of history predict the endpoint. Though you don't see it now, chances are pretty good the future history will bear this out .... again. And we'll both argue about who is really to blame.

83 posted on 02/15/2005 5:47:34 AM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks
["And why do none of the atheists I know act the way you predict?"]

Because they only show you what will make them appear righteous.

Really... And why would they do that?

And your comment about Jews is incorrect, misleading, and quite unfair.

Not at all. You claimed:

In short, without Christ, a man will screw himself, his brother, and his sister, b/c it his nature.
These are your words, not mine. Clearly you said that a belief in Christ was necessary for the kind of morality you were talking about, and that without it, "a man will screw himself, his brother, and his sister, b/c it his nature".

Jews are "without Christ", so clearly you hold this opinion about Jews. Or would you perhaps care to admit that your statement was in error?

But, you are quite consistent in that regard, so I'm unsurprised.

Indeed, I am quite consistent in pointing out the logical errors in your prejudices.

84 posted on 02/15/2005 6:50:29 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: rottndog
I heard Michael Savage railing about this the other night saying they should close the bathhouses in SF. So thye must have reopened.
It is sickening. If this were smallpox or some other plague the CDC and the gov't would be all over this. But becaause it involves queer behavior it's just not politically correct to say it's wrong. Time to quarrantine them like Castro does IMO.
85 posted on 02/15/2005 6:55:51 AM PST by MomwithHope
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To: Callahan

It's all Ronald Reagan's fault! He allowed AIDS to be spread to kill off all the gays (even though he had many gay, Hollywood friends).


86 posted on 02/15/2005 7:00:59 AM PST by GianniV
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To: rottndog

Homosexuality is a mental illness and self destructive... don't belive the PC crap. Just go watch the documentary about the making of the Hepatitis vaccine and you will see the disgusting truth about this "lifestyle".


87 posted on 02/15/2005 7:03:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: thoughtomator

It is not untypical for these folks to have 10 to 20 different partners a night 7 nights a week... Do not remotely think that these people are just normal folks... they are largely mentally ill and engaging in horriffically self destructive behavior.


88 posted on 02/15/2005 7:05:16 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Callahan

He and others said it would be more effective to try to identify the underlying causes of drug abuse and self-destructive behavior, including the difficulty of living in a society that rejects committed gay relationships while condemning homosexuals for having sex outside those relationships. Gay men, he said, are using methamphetamine as an antidepressant.

Uh, try the following TRUTH... Instead of the lies offered by a man blinded by his own depravity...

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."


89 posted on 02/15/2005 7:47:31 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: gobucks

Well you made might point so I am not sure what I said that was incorrect. Mans nature is sin, it is a battle of the flesh and spirit. If men just feed their flesh and have no regard for the feeding of the spirit you have total hedonism.

My point is that mans nature is to have variety it is not so much with females. To prove this point look at lesbian relationships vs gay men. Lesbians tend to be monogamous for longer periods of time while gay men can have thousands of sexual partners in their life times.
Another example, men can easily have sex with a woman without caring if they know their name or not. Few women would consider such...


90 posted on 02/15/2005 8:56:19 AM PST by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: Kozak; scripter; Clint N. Suhks; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Mockingbird For Short; SweetCaroline; ...

Oh horse sh#t. They are using it as a stimulant to increase their already hypersexual behavior. One damn excuse after another. Maybe at some point the psychiatrists will finally admit they were wrong in removing homosexuality from the diagnostic manual as an illness, something they did out of political correctness.


Agreed. Your observation is spot on.

"Crystal Meth" New Drug Of Choice On Gay Party Circuit

91 posted on 02/15/2005 10:13:45 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform
Maybe at some point the psychiatrists will finally admit they were wrong in removing homosexuality from the diagnostic manual as an illness, something they did out of political correctness. .....I just read an article the other day that states many gays have become psychiatrists, so many so, that the findings have been refashioned and homosexuals have been removed from the category of mental illness.
92 posted on 02/15/2005 11:07:04 AM PST by SweetCaroline (My soul wait thou only upon GOD, for my expectation is from him. Psalm 62:5)
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To: SweetCaroline; Mockingbird For Short; scripter; Clint N. Suhks
It's true, and it's documented in replies 46, 328 , 363, 373, 443, 449, 467, and 470 in Scripter's Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1).
93 posted on 02/15/2005 11:45:11 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform; SweetCaroline; scripter; Clint N. Suhks

Is sexual addiction or sexual obsession (any such term as that) on the DSM?


94 posted on 02/15/2005 12:15:11 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Ichneumon
Something appears to be wrong with your hypothesis, it doesn't match reality.

That's because they read Romans chapter one but failed to read Romans chapter 2. Certainly humanity is capable of all manner of evil but, as Romans 2 vs 14 and 15 says (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) Humanity is also capable of performing much good - even without God as their objective.

95 posted on 02/15/2005 8:41:42 PM PST by Frapster (the ice age cometh!)
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To: Callahan

"Many health experts suggest a more vigorous return to conventional H.I.V. prevention. Isaac Weisfuse, the city's deputy commissioner of health, said his agency was planning to place information banners on gay Web sites and devote more money to hard-hitting ads about methamphetamine use."

Great idea. It didn't work before, but what the hell, try it again. The Ad agencies could use the business and anyway, it's all just tax dollars from the breeders.


96 posted on 02/15/2005 8:55:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Callahan

"...gays lose themselves in self-destructive mindless hedonism to drown out the pain of being rejected by society... "

A common rationalization, but as you imply, largely BS.
It has been used variously for alcoholism, drug addiction, suicide, "the suffering of the artist," all manner of dysfunctional aggression.

It is a function of narcissistic rage and the sexualization of the aggressive drive. It is a sado-masochistic tango more akin to ritualistic forcible rape than to heterosexual intercourse.


97 posted on 02/15/2005 9:11:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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