Posted on 02/15/2005 9:54:29 AM PST by areafiftyone
Good thing. If Conyers is for it... that's all I need to know, I'm against it.
What does he really want? I can imagine a new party -- call it the Third World Party -- with a ticket selected from the likes of Conyers, Alcee Hastings, Barbara Jackson Lee, and Nancy Pelosi. Could you imagine what its governing policies would be?
very very interesting ravingnutter, true to form, of the MSM, this is the first time I've heard of this.....
I also remember quite clearly that Novak, backed up by a few other Washington columnists said at the time the scandal first hit (which was ignored by most then Wilson brought back to life to promote his book a few months later, good thing the report proving him a liar didn't come out until several months after his book and his Vanity Fair photo shoot) that the fact that Plame was a CIA operative was the worst kept "secret" in Washington which is why Novak didn't think he was doing anything wrong and given the way the Wilsons behaved after the fact, again, book deal and Vanity Fair photo shoot with wife in the photos)
query, was it not possible Gannon/Guckert if not lying about even getting this so called memo got it from another member of the press rather than the administration
I do wonder though why are Matthew Cooper of Time and Judith Miller of NY Times facing contempt and not Novak?
Did Novak divulge his source or is there some reason he's not on the hot seat?
raving nutter seems to have the pulse on the story but I'll give it a go
I believe that Plame was an undercover operative, but she was no longer an active operative at the time of the scandal
and there was some question as to whether it was her intent to return to that line of work by some of the articles I recall reading, of course, it is now out of the question I imagine, I believe she was doing a desk job as an analyst on the subject of WMD at the time of the scandal
the concern of course is that even if she wasn't active then, you could compromise the safety of the operatives she was working with out in the field and who were still out in the field
however as ravingnutter noted and Bob Novak noted, it was not the best kept secret in Washington
Remember Novak said the first "administration" official who told him about Plame's job was "not a partisan gunslinger" and with whom he had a long conversation when this came up? I thought it could be Ari Fleischer but it didn't jump out at me that a spokesman for a president would be described as other than "partisan."
During this Gannon Affair Fleischer spoke up and perhaps he does see himself in a way that would fit Novak's description.
"I found out that he worked for a GOP site, and I didn't think it was my place to call on him because he worked for something that was related to the party," Fleischer said in a phone interview. "He had the editor call me and made the case that they were not related to the Republican Party. He said they used the GOP name for marketing purposes only."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ep/20050217/en_bpiep/arifleischertellsephespoketogannonguckertsboss
Fleischer would have no idea about Wilson or why he was sent to Niger.
In addition, Fleischer was in Africa when the NY Times Wilson hit piece was published and all during the next week when the so-called leak occurred.
It is most assuredly NOT Ari Fleischer for a few reasons. Plus, as WH press secretary, he'd never ever be classified as a non-partisan gun slinger. Another operative or Tenet himself would be categorized such. It has to be someone that KNEW about the trip.
(BTW, another freeper noted to me the other day that last Sunday's NY Times "secret tapes" story that fizzled but was clearly hoped to be a Bush hit was another instance where they timed the piece for once Bush was out of the country...)
One is held in contempt when they aren't cooperating.
What do you think abou this Time article? It's dated thursday July 17, says Fleischer was talking about it "last week" as was Tenet. I believe Novak's article was dated July 14.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0%2C8599%2C465270%2C00.html
P.S. The author is Marc Cooper.
Matt Cooper (currently in contempt!)
Magazine articles appear on the scene far in advance of the date that appears on them.
The Cooper article is about the so-called "leak" which took place on or after July 6 (the day Wilson's op-ed appeared) and July 13 (the day before Novak's column informing us Wilson had been recommended by Plame), and Fleischer did comment on it---from Africa and in a very uncharacteristically ham-handed way, IMO---which I attribute to the weirdness of Wilson's charge, the WH entourage being out of the country and not aware of the facts or details, and Fleischer's impending and announced much in advance departure.
Have you ever just sat and pondered HOW these people--Conyers, Jackson-Lee, Hastings, Waters, et al EVER got into govt.? OMG, it is appalling and really scarey, the fact that people who don't know any better than to vote for these losers actually have the power to elect govt. officials.
And "they" think the far rightt is scarey1
vaudine
Could the conversation been by telephone?
Here's another point. I looked, my memory was correct. Cooper refused to testify but in August last year there were stories that "Libby" released him from any confidentiality. So...what's the current dispute about? Not about Libby apparently.
From cooper's Time article:
"And some government officials have noted to TIME in interviews, (as well as to syndicated columnist Robert Novak) that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. These officials have suggested that she was involved in her husband's being dispatched Niger to investigate reports that Saddam Hussein's government had sought to purchase large quantities of uranium ore, sometimes referred to as yellow cake, which is used to build nuclear devices."
Who are these people...and are they real, or just made-up for a plausible story making the reporter seem important...
I really don't think there's any chance whatsoever Ari Fleischer was leaking about the Wilson/Plame business. I don't think he knew anything about it except what his official statements in his capacity as Press Secretary reflected.
Here's another point. I looked, my memory was correct. Cooper refused to testify but in August last year there were stories that "Libby" released him from any confidentiality. So...what's the current dispute about? Not about Libby apparently.
Cooper did get held in contempt last summer even though Libby had released him from confidentiality. He then did end up cutting a deal and giving limited testimony admitting Libby had never mentioned Plame (I was not surprised as I knew Libby and Cheney, like Fleischer, knew nothing about it, hence could not have leaked). Soooooo, Cooper has already testified on that narrow issue. Now the grand jury wants to know about any source(s) <---that's how the Appeals Court ruling quotes the subpoena---that talked about Plame AND/OR Wilson and Wilson's trip to Niger.
Yes, I'm sure we all recall her outrage at the breathless CBS promotion of forged military documents to bring down a sitting President. [/sarcasm]
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