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Out of money? Sell your daughter
Jewish World Review ^ | 2-17-05 | Haytullah Gaheez

Posted on 02/16/2005 5:14:31 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Montfort
"So the only thing one can discuss about the book of Job is the main lesson of it?"

No, of course not.

I was referring specifically to your statement that Job thought of his seven sons and three daughters as property, nothing more.

I would remind you that Job lost his oxen, his asses, his servants and his camels, but only when he lost his sons and daughters did he "rent his mantle and shaved his head".
This is an indication to me that he thought of his children as more than property.

121 posted on 02/16/2005 6:24:45 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: Raycpa
How long did you live to become this dense?

By "we", I meant America. Again, we cannot solve the world's problems, but we should never excuse them, either.

122 posted on 02/16/2005 6:28:16 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: mudblood
"In the case of this girl being sold/given away/whatever, I think its a huge flashing sign of a diseased society, plagued by violence and lacking in values."

Exactly!

Thank you.

123 posted on 02/16/2005 6:31:46 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: Raycpa
Twist all you want, Raybo, here's the moral way.
124 posted on 02/16/2005 7:02:44 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Raycpa
I think you have some priority problems to say the least.

Just who are you talking to! I haven't even been following this thread. Take me off of your ping list.

125 posted on 02/16/2005 8:36:34 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Raycpa

"In your eyes its better if she starve or eventually raped and killed [than being forced into a polygamous marriage before she is even a teenager]. "

In my eyes, neither is desirable. Both are detestable.

You might as well come out and say that because you have some money it is OK for you to use a little girl like this for your personal sexual gratification because it would be better than what she has now.

That is no justification at all. It is self-condemnation. God gave you what you have, and you will be held accountable for how you use it.

A man should love the one he marries and do what is her best interest. This does not describe what is happening in this situation.


126 posted on 02/16/2005 10:21:32 PM PST by unlearner
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To: SJackson
Religion of Peace

BUMP


127 posted on 02/16/2005 11:17:06 PM PST by ppaul
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To: free_european

Add the US? How do you figure?


128 posted on 02/17/2005 5:47:50 AM PST by Durus
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Just get the reporter's notes. Find the holder of the loan and kill him. Debt cancelled courtesy US military. Then the destitute family can sell their 19-year-old son into some kind of servitude.

You haven't solved the problem, you've just made another family poor.

There are no easy solutions in a situation like this. We Americans are used to living in a society where no matter how bad things get, we don't have to worry about feeding our families (I mean really worry about it. No matter how poor you are, there are always food banks, churches etc. that will help you out). That is not the case in a place like Afghanistan.

Is selling your daughter to another man a good solution? No. However, it seems like in this situation, there were no good solutions.

129 posted on 02/17/2005 7:34:56 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: metesky
"But I will not do this. I will sell the land that I inherited but I will never give him my daughter.''

With his land gone, how would this guy feed the rest of his family? He is an illiterate subsistence farmer. Without land to till, he has no other way of making a living.

130 posted on 02/17/2005 7:37:08 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: Raycpa
Arranged marriages may not be all that bad. This poor man is relieved of his debt and his obligation to provide for his daughter while the daughter is guaranteed room and board. Not a bad deal for all. Somewhat of a win win.

You have got to be kidding. This is a preadolescent girl. You're talking institutionalized *perversion* here.

131 posted on 02/17/2005 8:06:28 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: Modernman

So what is wrong with making another crime family poor? He should have thought of that before making a loan to a poppy grower.


132 posted on 02/17/2005 8:19:52 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: valkyrieanne
You're talking institutionalized *perversion* here.

Hard choices, yes. Death or youth marriage. At least in exchange for marriage the girl gets life time care.

133 posted on 02/17/2005 9:13:22 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
So what is wrong with making another crime family poor? He should have thought of that before making a loan to a poppy grower.

I'm certainly not saying that the money-lender is a saint, but all he did was loan money to a farmer engaged in growing a crop that is pretty common in Afghanistan. Heck, he wasn't even growing poppies himself, the guy selling his daughter was. Should the Marines put a bullet into him for engaging in business that is perfectly acceptable by local standards?

You're proposing getting the US involved in selectively killing various members of Afghani society for engaging in business behavior we don't really approve of. The Marines are not a good tool of social engineering.

134 posted on 02/17/2005 9:18:22 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: Raycpa
At least in exchange for marriage the girl gets life time care.

Yes, as long as it lasts. Let's see ... death by starvation, or death in childbirth, because an undernourished twelve year old's hips are probably no way wide enough for the birthing process. Nice choice.

135 posted on 02/18/2005 8:10:10 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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