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Out of money? Sell your daughter
Jewish World Review ^ | 2-17-05 | Haytullah Gaheez

Posted on 02/16/2005 5:14:31 AM PST by SJackson

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To: LauraleeBraswell
These people are animals

There, but for the grace of God, go I.

21 posted on 02/16/2005 6:27:02 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

The only one at risk of death in this situation was the idiot, poppy growing, loan defaulting father. He saved his own behind by selling his daughter.

He is despicable.


22 posted on 02/16/2005 6:31:57 AM PST by ladyrustic (seek Truth, Beauty, and Goodness)
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To: Raycpa
Maybe we should make slavery legal in our country then. Poor people who have credit card debt (a loan against future income like in the story) could sell their children to get rid of it. What a fantastic idea...[/s]

There is no real reason to believe that the man who bought this girl will actually marry her off to his youngest son. Maybe he will throw her in a child brothel or become her pimp. Maybe he will just use her as a household slave. There was a time in our country that both men and women believed in the concept "live free or die".

23 posted on 02/16/2005 6:32:22 AM PST by Durus
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To: Raycpa; LauraleeBraswell
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom ... go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels nor arms. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

24 posted on 02/16/2005 6:48:46 AM PST by Durus
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To: ladyrustic
"The only one at risk of death in this situation was the idiot, poppy growing, loan defaulting father. He saved his own behind by selling his daughter."

You have no idea what their situation is. It is very possible that his family will starve if he dies. They may starve anyway. Perhaps you should start a charity and buy daughters in that position instead of whining about how despicable her father is.
25 posted on 02/16/2005 7:03:11 AM PST by monday
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To: Durus

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. " -- Winston Churchill

Blame Islam. This man is only practicing his religion and who is to say that his daughters new master will not be preferable to her old?


26 posted on 02/16/2005 7:09:05 AM PST by monday
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To: Durus

" Does the idea of slavery bother you?"

It bothers me, but all Muslim women are slaves.


27 posted on 02/16/2005 7:13:25 AM PST by monday
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To: Raycpa
Why do you assume marriage means sex ?

A quote from the article -

"In a year or 18 months I will marry her off to my youngest son," he said. "He is 19 years old and has been married to his first wife for two years but has not had a child yet."

It certainly sounds like he means his son to have sex with her, don't you think?

28 posted on 02/16/2005 7:19:55 AM PST by agrace (Is this the line where they're handing out tags?)
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To: agere_contra

Aisha was six when they married and nine when the marriage was consumated. This from the Muslim hadith.


29 posted on 02/16/2005 7:21:13 AM PST by agrace (Is this the line where they're handing out tags?)
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To: monday

"Perhaps you should start a charity and buy daughters in that position instead of whining about how despicable her father is."

You forgot to put the sarcasm tag on that huge load of crap.

Or do you really think the father deserves some sort of medal for his actions? If so, then let me make a guess about you: You are estranged from your own offspring because they just don't understand that the things you did to them and the way you treated them was really for their own good. But they're too stubborn to understand that.


30 posted on 02/16/2005 7:31:59 AM PST by ladyrustic (seek Truth, Beauty, and Goodness)
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To: agrace
It certainly sounds like he means his son to have sex with her, don't you think?

Or long term planning. We can also assume the father is merely establishing that the current wife cannot have children and the son will need one in the future. Again, we are assuming that sex follows marriage immediately.

31 posted on 02/16/2005 7:39:10 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: SJackson

Stories like this make me ill.

Poor girl.


32 posted on 02/16/2005 7:41:26 AM PST by najida (I love my new tile saw. I LOVE it! just love the little fella....for Christmas, I want a router.)
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To: monday

Slavery didn't begin with Islam...why should I blame Islam. You don't have to go back very far in history to see the same scene repeated in many cultures with varying religions. That doesn't mean that I find it acceptable of course.


33 posted on 02/16/2005 7:46:58 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus
"Slavery didn't begin with Islam...why should I blame Islam."

Doh.... Because Islamic countries are the only countries in which slavery is still legal. If this man had sold his daughter in America he would be going to jail.

you say; "You don't have to go back very far in history to see the same scene repeated in many cultures with varying religions."

Are you living in the past? No? Then why bring it up?

You say that you don't blame Islam, but the fact is, Islam not only permits slavery, it requires the slavery of every woman and girl.

I blame Islam for this fathers actions, and the actions of every slave holding Muslim man. I don't understand how you could NOT blame Islam.
34 posted on 02/16/2005 8:14:21 AM PST by monday
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To: Raycpa
Again, we are assuming that sex follows marriage immediately.

True, Mohammed waited three whole years, until Aisha was nine, before he consummated their marriage.

Contemporary sharia law allows for marriage at the age of nine, and I can find no indication that there are any consummation restrictions on such.

35 posted on 02/16/2005 8:15:59 AM PST by agrace (Is this the line where they're handing out tags?)
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To: Durus
Slavery didn't begin with Islam...why should I blame Islam

Because they are the only ones still practicing it.

36 posted on 02/16/2005 8:18:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SJackson

this HAS been going on for eons. In Japan and other asian countries and other countries i don't know about, females have been regarded so little that daughters are sold into prostitution at a very early age.
The lack of the judeo/christian perspective creates situations like this, i believe. whether or not you embrace a personal belief in the judeo/christian doctrines, the basis of our country creates an atmosphere where all human beings are honored, men, women, and children. we are blessed in this country.


37 posted on 02/16/2005 8:18:43 AM PST by bethtopaz (California Hoosier for Bush!!)
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To: ladyrustic

"Or do you really think the father deserves some sort of medal for his actions? If so, then let me make a guess about you: You are estranged from your own offspring because they just don't understand that the things you did to them and the way you treated them was really for their own good. But they're too stubborn to understand that."

No, not a medal, but since he is only doing what is expected of him by his religion and his culture, I think your anger is misdirected. It should be directed towards his religion, Islam, which makes his daughter his slave to do with as he pleases. All Muslim men behave like he does, what makes him any worse than them?

BTW; You are a really bad guesser. I don't have any children.


38 posted on 02/16/2005 8:22:08 AM PST by monday
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To: Raycpa

Did you happen to notice the age of the girl? 10 is a little young for an "arranged" marriage. The man says in a couple of years he will marry her to his son. This means she will be 12 when she is married off to his son. Doesn't sound like a win-win situation to me. Plus she is a SLAVE, or didn't that occur to you?


39 posted on 02/16/2005 8:25:46 AM PST by calex59
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To: Izzy Dunne
"If a father tried to get help for his daughter he would be arrested for opium trading.''

Would that be so much worse than selling your daughter? I wonder.

I don't think she would be sold off into marriage then. The rags have to keep their brothels full.

This society is so sick.

40 posted on 02/16/2005 8:25:56 AM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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