[sageb1]

"When you force people to live in collective situations, its easier to engineer them into thinking like a collectivist and thinking that individualism and self government is bad."

hmmmmm...you mean like in college dorms?

[hedgetrimmer]

I would say in the case of the University of California, Santa Cruz-- yes.

If you look at the Congress for New Urbanism they say:

Planners acknowledge that America "remains a land of and dedicated to the individual" and that "rights talk" must be quashed and "community rights" and values promoted.

http://www.civic-strategies.com/library/planned_communities.pdf