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Senate panel backs extending seat-belt requirements (more RINOs coming out of the woodwork)
kpcnews.com ^ | 2 15 05 | DEANNA WRENN

Posted on 02/17/2005 10:28:42 AM PST by freepatriot32

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To: ken5050
nanny car n. A car that uses computer technology to prevent the driver from making unsafe actions or decisions.

—nanny-car adj.



Example Citations:

The legacy of the witless 60 Minutes investigation into runaway Audis almost two decades ago is that soon nobody will be allowed to start a car, raise or lower a convertible top, or so much as open the gas cap without flooring the clutch, putting on the parking brake and then putting both feet out the window.

Nanny-car syndrome will get worse, as traffic density and automotive performance increase; as manufacturers turn cars into rolling offices, restaurants, I'm-so-wired communicators and DVD entertainment centers; and as driver competence plummets.

—Stephan Wilkinson, "Man & Machine," Popular Science, December, 2003



Your car soon may be more than just transportation. It could become your nanny.

Federal regulators are urging automakers to install devices that chime, buzz, beep, blink and otherwise nag you until you fasten your seatbelt. Ford uses such gadgets, and others may follow.

Seatbelts save lives. They would save a lot more if we could get our usage up from the current 73 percent of motorists.

The feds also are about to require sensors that will warn the driver of underinflated tires. If tire pressure is low, warning lights will come on until the tires are properly filled. That's going to require a lot of badgering, because only about 11 percent of motorists properly check their tires.

Down the road, perhaps, the nanny car will have devices that monitor body fat and cholesterol. If they're too high, the car won't start.

Instead a flashing display on the dashboard will say: "You're too fat. Get out and walk."

—"Coming soon: nagmobile," The Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN), October 15, 2002


41 posted on 02/17/2005 11:14:12 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: sully777
Mandatory seatbelt laws are wrong because...?

Do you need the government as a mommy? Most adults don't so I would guess that neither do you.

42 posted on 02/17/2005 11:15:32 AM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: mewzilla
"In any case, driving is a privilege, not a right. The state can regulate it any way it sees fit, and this is totally reasonable."

You must be joking when you make such a remark.

Do you know you are at a forum called Freerepublic.com?

Indiana Constitution

Bill of Rights. (not to be confused with a bill of privileges)

Section 1.

WE DECLARE, That all people are created equal; that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that all power is inherent in the people;

What part of LIBERTY do you not understand?

How did the right to travel by horse or wagon, before the invention of the automobile, constitutionally become a privilege, granted by the state, after the invention of the automobile, without a constitutional amendment?

When did a "law or regulation" have the constitutional hierarchy to circumvent, deny, dismiss, diminish, and disparage rigths enumerated in an Article of a Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights?

The only reason citizens injured in an automobile collision from not wearing a seatbelt "cost...frigging money..." and "guess who pays for that?" is because the citizens, through their representatives were dumb enough to enact legislation for that purpose.

Repeal such laws and it will not cost you a dime whether someone wears a seatbelt or not, from the public treasury.

If it costs the insurance company money, they will eventually write policies that are two tiered: seatbelt use, a low premium. No seatbelt use, a higher premium.

If found not wearing a seatbelt with a seatbelt use policy, that policy is now void, the insurance company does not have to pay.

And your state government cannot do anything about such contracts.

Indiana Constitution

Section 24.

No ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed.

What part of "shall ever be passed" do the Indiana citizens and legislators not understand?

By the way, my suggestion on how to handle the issue of "public safety" and seat belt use is how free people act in a free capitalistic economy with constitutionally protected, inalienable rights.

43 posted on 02/17/2005 11:18:00 AM PST by tahiti
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To: Bella_Bru
BTW, I drive a Volvo.

Hippie. =P

44 posted on 02/17/2005 11:19:57 AM PST by TheBigB ("Official Keeper of the FR Eye Candy" ~Title bestowed by SirLurkedalot)
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To: tahiti

Are you running for any public office? I'd like to vote for you.


45 posted on 02/17/2005 11:20:47 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: sgtbono2002

"Funny though I am still waiting for my refund from all the money seat belts have saved."

I know that my rates ARE lower because I have full airbags and ABS. And my auto insurance rates have indeed gone down in recent years, more than one would expect just because the cars are a year older. In fact, they're down a huge amount. I have no idea why, though. We didn't have wrecks or tickets that have moved off our records and we haven't moved into a statistically safer driving age. But my premium is hundreds of dollars lower than it was three years ago.


46 posted on 02/17/2005 11:21:01 AM PST by Gone GF
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To: montag813
It is not a "RINO" to demand seat belt usage.

"Wyss said legislators should focus on public safety, not personal rights."

that is rino talk by definition.Infringing on personal freedom for the common good is what dems and rinos do.If you cant see how that is rino I feel sorry for you please let me know how the koolaid tastes.

47 posted on 02/17/2005 11:21:15 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: NeilGus
"3. government does not have to pay disability for those who are in wrecks without their seat belts on, and, 4. government doesn't pick up the tab for all of the costs listed above.

Because none of these are true, I do not object to this type law."

Just because the citizens of a state, through their elected legislators, are dumb enough to enact such payment laws, does not mean that the "rights" of the citizens are now deniable or can be disparaged or diminished.

Repeal the stupid laws, but do not deny and disparage rights, that is what free people do, living in a capitalistic economy, in a constitutional republic.

48 posted on 02/17/2005 11:24:05 AM PST by tahiti
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To: freepatriot32

Very true. Montag may want to work on his understanding of English sentence structure as well.


49 posted on 02/17/2005 11:24:54 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: sully777

I propose seat belt laws on motorcycles, bicycles, skate boards, snow skiis, water skiis, roller skates and ice skates. Also, movie theater seats, baby strollers, beds, and sleeping bags. Warning lables on knives, forks, spoons, hammers, bricks, rock, and limitations on pencil sharpeners....


50 posted on 02/17/2005 11:25:12 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: tahiti
See, that's how good ideas are hatched. Get the insurance companies and the automakers together and have a Seat belt option for any car. If you buy a car with that option your insurance rates are automatically lowered by 20%. And the insurance companies can not raise the rates of others to compensate for the loss of the revenue from those nanny needer's. Doubt it.....
51 posted on 02/17/2005 11:26:00 AM PST by Time is now (We'll live to see it......Does anyone see it yet?....)
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To: Cobra64

Be careful what you ask for. When pencil sharpeners are outlawed...


52 posted on 02/17/2005 11:26:15 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Still Thinking

...only outlaws will have sharp pencils.


53 posted on 02/17/2005 11:27:21 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: sully777

I hope you read posts 10 and 12 and others.


54 posted on 02/17/2005 11:27:53 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: Still Thinking

Bump for your clear-headed reasoning!


55 posted on 02/17/2005 11:29:33 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: tahiti

I'll vote for you, too. Maybe even if you run as a Redemopublicrat.


56 posted on 02/17/2005 11:31:18 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Hank Rearden

Thanks. That "driving is a privelige" thing is a real sore spot for me. Why not "[Insert activity here] is a privelige" and only to be engaged in if you're on this particular governments good side? Why not sex? Eating, drinking, and breathing? What makes driving so unique?


57 posted on 02/17/2005 11:34:11 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: freepatriot32
I always wear my seat belt and I think it is stupid not to do so. I do think it should be law that children are buckled up, but if an adult wants to go without a seat belt (or helmet, or smokes, or skydives, or eats too much, etc.), I say we let them engage in their right to live however they want.

Some have brought up the fact that injuries due to risky behaviors cause ins. premiums to go up for everyone. So how bout this; as an adult you can choose to disregard your own safety however you wish. But if you get injured, your insurance will not cover it. Problem solved.
58 posted on 02/17/2005 11:35:13 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soilent green is made of liberals...)
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To: Texas Federalist

Can't the state regulate driving privledges such as who gets a license, rules and laws to make driving legal. I'm not for laws taking away my rights but I would think safety is a concern. If gov't can't regulate my freedom, then why don't I have the freedom to litter or such..It wouldn't hurt anyone if I did......I just think the principle of pure freedom like pure communism just can't be the end all of an ordered society.........IMO


59 posted on 02/17/2005 11:35:39 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: TheBigB
:-P

It has more room than my '70 BMW. I can store pretty much my whole life in it.

60 posted on 02/17/2005 11:37:18 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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