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'The religious response to that seems to be that God created a "mature" universe that looks to us like it is billions of years old when in fact it is not. "

That's not the only religious response. I think we have misinterpreted the data and when rightly understood it won't show billions of years old at all.

I'm not a scientist who works in this field, but I just can't believe that the thousands of people who do this science every day (and the thousands who have done it in the past) can all be wrong. Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist. Carbon dating does tell us how old organic material is. Light travels at a set speed, and millions of years must have passed for us to see starts that are millions of light years away. I'm not saying that humans know everything, but in so many fields and in so many ways, the universe demonstrates to us that is much older than a literal reading of the Bible would have us believe.

That's not the only religious response. I think we have misinterpreted the data and when rightly understood it won't show billions of years old at all.

Bingo! We have a winner!

I think we have misinterpreted the data and when rightly understood it won't show billions of years old at all.

There is way too much evidence that says the universe is billions of years old. Fortunately there was and event called SN1987A that gave us conclusive evidence that out distance measurement methodologies are valid.

"That's not the only religious response. I think we have misinterpreted the data and when rightly understood it won't show billions of years old at all."

The E's are correct and it is Biblical that this earth and universe are millions upon millions of years old, how old no man knows.

However, flesh man at most is around 12,000 years old. There was an earth and heaven age before 'flesh' was created. Had man evolved out of pond scum there would be a continuous phase of evolution going on and there would be heaps and heaps of skeletal remains to give evidence. There is no such evidence only goood art work picturing what these nonbelievers promote.

Got to know why man in the flesh was created to understand that first earth age. When do you suppose the souls were created that are placed in the flesh at conception.

Do you think the Heavenly Father is running a 'soul' manufacturing facility for souls. Paul speaks of some who were predestined before the foundations of this earth age.

So what did these that were predestined do to qualify for this status?

I think we have misinterpreted the data and when rightly understood it won't show billions of years old at all.

Fascinating... And about what timespan *do* you think it will "show"?