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To: Dimensio; PatrickHenry
"Wow. PatricHenry predicted in post #39 that some creationoid will be screaming about how exposing one fraudster "proves" that evolution is wrong, and only two posts later some moron comes and says exactly that."

Hahahaha

"Intelligent design is a religious doctrine,” said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. "Teaching evolution is also a religious doctrine", says Mr. Carley, who expressed a desire that this reality continue to be kept secret from the students. Mr. Carley futher reports that it is only Christians who are militant about this subject. "Biology teachers are always a warm, fuzzy, and peaceful people, who never say unkind things about God, Jesus, or Christians", he said.

Politics and religion enter into evolution debate

"Strange Alliances" Excerpt:

"...Indeed, Wayne Carley, executive director of the NABT acknowledged as much, saying the change was made because they wanted "to avoid taking a religious position."

That is an admission that demonstrates the truth of what Christian critics have been claiming all along: The association's original platform - like Darwinism itself - exceeds purely scientific conclusions, and embraces distinctly religious ideas.

The NABT decision to change its statement is widely seen as a retreat from the secularist worldview of the "scientific" community.

"That perception may cause the Darwinists some worry...because they cannot afford to look as if they are losing confidence."

Stop being AFRAID of the truth. Have the courage to educate yourself

312 posted on 02/20/2005 6:44:07 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Forget "Republican" or "DemocRAT" - Is Jesus a "Moral Relativist"?)
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To: Matchett-PI

Stop believing bad theology. Educate yourself.


353 posted on 02/21/2005 2:34:13 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Matchett-PI; Dimensio; PatrickHenry; shubi
"Intelligent design is a religious doctrine,” said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. "Teaching evolution is also a religious doctrine", says Mr. Carley, who expressed a desire that this reality continue to be kept secret from the students. Mr. Carley futher reports that it is only Christians who are militant about this subject. "Biology teachers are always a warm, fuzzy, and peaceful people, who never say unkind things about God, Jesus, or Christians", he said.

Carley has said no such thing -- you need to retract this lie. You are bearing false witness. You are telling a lie.

Here's what Carely has *actually* said on the subject:

“Intelligent design is a religious doctrine,” said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. “There is no research to support it, and it is clearly religious in that it posits a higher being.”
The other parts you "quoted" him as saying were merely a stupid "putting words in his mouth" opinion written by Freeper "gobucks" -- gobucks was expressing his *own* (silly) opinion, and satirically "imagining" a press conference where Carley was speaking what gobucks believes to be the "real truth".

You have twice repeated this "quote" in this thread as if it were an actual, legitimate quote from Carley, when it most certainly is not.

So the only question remains is -- are you bearing false witness out of intentional dishonesty, or because you were too stupid to understand that those "quotes" were bogus?

Are you honorable enough to retract this falsehood? Or will you be like almost every other creationist I have caught posting falsehoods, and fail to acknowledge your sin?

And why do creationists on the whole turn out to be such shameless prevaricators? I really don't get it. I never have.

418 posted on 02/21/2005 10:17:54 PM PST by Ichneumon
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