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Pope Calls Gay Marriage Part of 'Ideology of Evil'
Reuters ^ | Feb, 22, 2005 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks

ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.

In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.

He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.

The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.

In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.

In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.

"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"

In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.

"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; deviants; evil; fags; goodjohnpaul2; homosexualagenda; itsforthechildren; johnpaulii; perverts; queers; saintlyeye4queerguy; samesexmarriage; sin; vatican
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1 posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:51 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

He will be missed when he departs.


2 posted on 02/22/2005 12:47:45 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Clint N. Suhks

YYYYEEEAAAAHHH!!!!


3 posted on 02/22/2005 12:49:21 PM PST by PatriotCJC
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To: Clint N. Suhks

BTTT


4 posted on 02/22/2005 12:49:27 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The Poep is nailing it on these issues. God bless him for doing so.


5 posted on 02/22/2005 12:49:37 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

John Paul rocks!


6 posted on 02/22/2005 12:49:54 PM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.

In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century

This will spin the libs into a frenzy.

7 posted on 02/22/2005 12:51:10 PM PST by cowboyway (My Hero's have always been cowboys.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Right on. God Bless the Pope!


8 posted on 02/22/2005 12:51:13 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: PatriotCJC

What's with the Dean Scream?


9 posted on 02/22/2005 12:52:52 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; EdReform

Call in the boys, the Pope's on a roll!


10 posted on 02/22/2005 12:53:05 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

If you want on/off the ping list see my profile page.

11 posted on 02/22/2005 12:53:08 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The Pope is correct


12 posted on 02/22/2005 12:53:28 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Clint N. Suhks

That'll get the libs all up in arms.

Nice.


13 posted on 02/22/2005 12:53:35 PM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: Clint N. Suhks

"Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil"

BTTT!


14 posted on 02/22/2005 12:53:42 PM PST by Varda
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...
Pope Calls Gay Marriage Part of 'Ideology of Evil'

Catholic ping!

15 posted on 02/22/2005 12:56:23 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

***after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.***

Protest indeed!

The Holocaust's numbers pale in comparison to those of Abortion.


16 posted on 02/22/2005 12:57:15 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Ratzinger said the Pope "was not trying to put the Holocaust and abortion on the same plane" but only warning that evil lurked everywhere, "even in liberal political systems."

Hehehe...Liberalism is evil.

Ha-ha!

17 posted on 02/22/2005 12:58:10 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Semper Paratus

The Pope has said and done many great things, but the comment on gays is not one of them. Gay marriage is evil?


18 posted on 02/22/2005 12:59:23 PM PST by conserv13
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Well, he's right about that.


19 posted on 02/22/2005 1:00:37 PM PST by advance_copy
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To: Jeff Head

Courage: it's a beautiful thing.


20 posted on 02/22/2005 1:01:19 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real politcal victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

A sad, sad day for Catholic In Name Only Democrats such as Kerry and Kennedy. How will they denounce the Pope?


21 posted on 02/22/2005 1:01:39 PM PST by MisterRepublican (Liberalism kills.)
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To: conserv13
The Pope has said and done many great things, but the comment on gays is not one of them. Gay marriage is evil?

What he wrote is that it is part of an "ideology of evil", which is humanist collectivism. And, yes, it is evil.
22 posted on 02/22/2005 1:02:44 PM PST by advance_copy
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To: conserv13

GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT??????


23 posted on 02/22/2005 1:03:28 PM PST by clearsight
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To: conserv13
The Pope has said and done many great things, but the comment on gays is not one of them. Gay marriage is evil?

In that it "attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man,...", it is evil.

24 posted on 02/22/2005 1:06:02 PM PST by MarineBrat ("God is dead"- Nietzsche,1886. "Nietzsche is dead"- God,1901)
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To: conserv13
Gay marriage is evil?

There's this little black book that explains it all, you should try reading it sometime.

25 posted on 02/22/2005 1:06:17 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Liberalism is evil.

Well, we didn't need the Pope to tell us that, but I'm sure glad he spoke up! God bless him.

26 posted on 02/22/2005 1:08:40 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.

I love this stuff!

27 posted on 02/22/2005 1:10:08 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Breaking News!

NYTimes, WashPost, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR reporting:

Pope Admits Being Evil Homophobic Bigot!
Catholic Church Alings Itself With The KKK!

28 posted on 02/22/2005 1:10:32 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: clearsight
Nobody is going to be a fence sitter soon. We take sides & the the fittest win. It's gonna get interesting. What a great Pope.
29 posted on 02/22/2005 1:12:12 PM PST by Digger
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To: Clint N. Suhks
God bless this fine servant and disciple, the bishop of His Roman flock, John Paul II.

No doubt this will send all the screamers and mockers of the MSM chatterati into a frenzy of "the pope needs to resign" tirades.

30 posted on 02/22/2005 1:14:40 PM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.

In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.

He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.

Excellent! Reuters can't be happy about this.

31 posted on 02/22/2005 1:15:53 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Well the libs loved the Vatican when they appeared to be opposing "Bush's War". Now they will go back to the usual hatred.


32 posted on 02/22/2005 1:16:34 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I'm not Catholic (Methodist, actually). However, kudos to the Catholic Church for electing Karol Wotyla as Pope. While he didn't always see eye to eye with American policy, he recognizes evil when he sees it and isn't afraid to say so. Second to Ronald Reagan, I give him credit for the downfall of the evil of Soviet Communism. Considering the climate in which the Church selected Wotyla Pope, it was a gutsy move, but morally the absolutely right selection on the part of the College of Cardinals.

JP2 has done much to restore the status of the Papacy as a voice of God on earth. While I hope the time is not near, JP2 will be sorely missed when he passes. And I pray for guidance to the College that the Lord guide them in selecting his successor when the time comes.


33 posted on 02/22/2005 1:18:33 PM PST by henkster ("The time has come for someone to put their foot down, and that foot is me." Dean Vernon Wormer)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Republicans would be wise to drive home the message that thousands of unborn African-Americans are being "exterminated" yearly at the hands of predominately White Abortionist like the new Democrat Party Chairman, Dr. Dean!

That message and the one sent when Republicans nominate the first African-American for President of the United States could finally free them the slave-like democrat plantation.

34 posted on 02/22/2005 1:19:35 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Whatever misgivings I may have about the Catholic Church, they do not apply to JPII. Its a shame he didn't have a better crop of clergy from which to choose better Bishops and Archbishops.


35 posted on 02/22/2005 1:19:48 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Since my wife and I converted to Catholicism 10 years ago, the Church has become much more conservative.
Good!
36 posted on 02/22/2005 1:20:58 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: Pyro7480

Wow! You tell 'em, Holy Father!


37 posted on 02/22/2005 1:27:32 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: conserv13

Straining to remember the last time the Vatican issued sage, practical advice on matters sexual: wasn't it, that condoms don't work?
(Or was it just yesterday: 'gay primates'? I must draw the line there, with admitting such great apes to the Big Tent. Bad business all around.)


38 posted on 02/22/2005 1:29:00 PM PST by OkieDoke
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To: Clint N. Suhks

While the Pope is a conservative on mattes of morals, it's important to realize he's a liberal on matters of faith. As a conservative moralist, he shares his views with many other religionists--including conservative Protestants and most Muslims and orthodox Jews. As a liberal on matters of the Catholic faith, however, he shares his views with the likes of Mahoney and Kasper and Weakland. The problem is that many Catholics see only one side of John Paul II and fail to recognize the harm he has done to the Catholic Church for twenty-five years. He will leave this world with his Church in far worse condition than when he first took over the papacy.


39 posted on 02/22/2005 1:45:22 PM PST by ultima ratio
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"Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity,(15) does nothing to alter this inadequacy."
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

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40 posted on 02/22/2005 1:49:22 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: ultima ratio

Please explain, I'm not familiar with this debate about the Catholic church and being "liberal" on matters of faith.

And how has he damaged the Church?


41 posted on 02/22/2005 1:49:35 PM PST by henkster ("The time has come for someone to put their foot down, and that foot is me." Dean Vernon Wormer)
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To: Pyro7480

I'm not impressed. He needs to be as conservative on matters of faith as he is on matters of morals. It is the failure to make this distinction that baffles many Catholics. Faith and morals are not the same. This is why many conservative Catholics have no problem with Assisi or with kissing the Koran. To them Catholicism is all about opposing abortion and homosexuality. But this isn't true. It's also about the Real Presence and Propitiatory sacrifice and the Council of Trent.


42 posted on 02/22/2005 1:49:59 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: TexasCajun
at the hands of predominately White Abortionist like the new Democrat Party Chairman, Dr. Dean!

Howard Dean performed abortions?

43 posted on 02/22/2005 1:52:54 PM PST by conserv13
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To: ultima ratio
I think you forget that Roman Catholicism is the only religiously inclusive Christian "denomination" - for lack of a better categorization of the original Church - and recognizes that God is objective in nature. While we believe to possess the fullness of this objective Truth, it is not the case that this Truth is hidden or needs to be realized. Rather, the Truth of God's existence is ever-present and therefore, everyone's experience of God, regardless of how wacked-out or bizarre we may think it is, has a certain degree of Truth to it as it is a product of their subjective experience of the objective Lord. It would be intellectual dishonesty to disregard any other man's experience of God because he isn't aware of the Truth's of Jesus Christ and His life, death, and resurrection.
44 posted on 02/22/2005 1:54:26 PM PST by mike182d
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To: Clint N. Suhks
It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man. -Pope John Paul

Simple. The sweep of history has seen the extent diminished to which an individual's thoughts, rights, and needs are subservient to the collective's. It was inevitable that some people, though not seeming to be extremists, begin to dogmatize radicial individualism.

45 posted on 02/22/2005 1:56:25 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: conserv13
I believe that he did early in his career.

I could be wrong, but I think I am correct.

46 posted on 02/22/2005 1:56:39 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Clint N. Suhks

For a frail old gentleman hovering at death's door, there is fire and truth in his words. He speaks to power.


47 posted on 02/22/2005 2:05:48 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: henkster

His Church has been plagued with scandals. There has been a loss of faith on a massive scale--statistically measurable and observable--and a corresponding collapse of catechesis. He himself has called the breakdown of Catholic faith a "silent apostasy"--yet he does nothing to reverse the trends. Church attendance has continued to plummet. Vocations have continued to spiral downward. The missions have imploded. The seminaries have been increasingly lavenderized. The highest echelons of the Church seethe with apostasy and corruption. Cronyism is rampant. Yet despite all this, and for 25 years, the Pope has instituted not a single reform of any consequence. Nor need I even mention the heterodoxy on his part that has underscored all this--the scandalous indifferentism and syncretism that has punctuated his long pontificate.


48 posted on 02/22/2005 2:09:59 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Clint N. Suhks

and the homo-advocats will knash their teeth and pant and whine that they are note eeeeeevil.

Homosexual practitioners need to get a grip on reality and what causes what they do for orgasms.


49 posted on 02/22/2005 2:10:08 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: mike182d

Your thinking is muddled--not unlike the Pope's.


50 posted on 02/22/2005 2:11:29 PM PST by ultima ratio
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