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To: epow

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Abortion is the deliberate, premeditated killing of a living, innocent human being
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While I agree that it is deliberate and premeditated, think of the fetus in a more detailed sense. The fetal brain and central nervous system do not develop and become active until the eighteenth week of pregnancy - now, this varies from one mother to the next, but on average, it is 18 nonetheless - up until then, the fetus is developing towards the stage of viability. Up until the central nervous system initiates the rest of the fetus's biosystems to become active, it is not living in the sense of the word - it. is. not. functioning. Not unless it is still within the uterus and functioning off the mother's systems and unless I'm mistaken, while it's inside one's own body, the owner of said body has command over what to do with it.

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God allows for the taking of human life under a very limited number of circumstances such as self defense, national defense in wartime, capital punishment carried out by a legitimate government, and perhaps one or two more circumstances.
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Agreed.

Well, except for war. Wartime is justified by people with too swelled an ego and too much megalomania. The one or two other circumstances you stated as God allowing for is to save the mother's life. Not all women can survive a pregnancy to term - illnesses contributing to a very hostile environment for fetal development, inability to carry through labor, etc - and when the C-section is not an option, sorry - no pregnancy.

Before you start on how God will protect those women to save the life of the baby, as you inevitably will, stop there. I'm one of those women. I have a hoste of illnesses that render me unable to carry to term or through labor. I want kids, but can't have them because the child and I will both die. Think of that. Prayer won't help me. Extensive treatment might. God has little to nothing to do with my condition, that's a matter of genetics, medicine and whatever science develops while my bio-clock is alive.

I'm not technically pro-abortion, by the way. Just pro-choice, but with a very stringent limitation thereto. I believe that if it's a last resort only, the option should still exist.

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He calls those acts "vile affection". (vile = evil) Same-sex "marriage" compounds the evil of homosexual behavior by making a perverted mockery of the God-ordained, sacred institution of marriage.
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I think that the heterosexual population has succeeded in making that mockery themselves, except in a culture of no personal responsibility, not a single person wishes to acknowledge it. "Till death do us part" has evolved into "Till I find someone I'd like to screw more." Divorce is a mockery on marriage itself; last time I checked, if a couple wasn't ready for marriage, there is no need to actually exhaust money, efforts and nerves and actually throw a wedding. Cheating...geez, I don't even want to think about how many couples cheat. I'll tell you this now, if one spouse cheats, either the couple splits or the other spouse never finds out. My marriage - a heterosexual one, in case anyone here decides to nitpick - is being made into a mockery by children in the bodies of grown adults. Homosexual marriages have little to nothing to do with it.

Homosexuals are also Homo Sapiens. Just because they have sex with the same gender doesn't make them any less human than they are; I don't see how karmic senses of evil ro good can pertain to sexuality in one way or the next. The more of less logical way to see it is, stay out of other people's bedrooms. It's not your concern who does what with whom.

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So you see, there's no need to be confused or to give up. All you need do is accept what God has said concerning those issues as final, absolute, unalterable truth.

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No thanks. All truths are tangible from one person to the next; no two people will interpret the same phrase identically. While the Bible is a nice book for moral outlines, it's just that - a book. And need I remind you that Lot's two daughters also slept with him to have children? Some moral that promotes right there. What happened to people figuring out truth for themselves, or is independent thinking as dead as personal responsibility?


433 posted on 05/02/2005 10:44:46 AM PDT by Queen of Swords
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To: Queen of Swords
I didn't respond to Joey Batz's hateful ravings in # 432 because his post was abusive and entirely out of line with FR's posting standards. (I would invoke the "pearls before swine" excuse for not replying, but I won't flatter myself by calling my words pearls) But since your reply is courteous and apparently well-intentioned I will offer a few comments.

Your statements and rhetorical questions indicate that you do not accept the Judeo-Christian bible as God's word given to man, so any comments of mine concerning your post that are based on scriptural principles would fall on deaf ears. However, I will say that born again Christians (there are no other kind of true Christians, see John 3:3-4) have no need for "figuring out truth" as you mentioned in the last paragraph of your post. God's word is truth, and we can only come to know and understand many parts of his word by believing in our heart that Jesus Christ is the divine, virgin born, resurrected, eternal Son of God who sacrificed his life to atone for man's sin, and by accepting him by faith as Savior of our immortal souls and Lord of our lives. Once that relationship with God has been established by grace through faith in his Son, the believer's spiritual eyes are opened and the truth of his word comes into focus.

For anyone who believes that the bible reveals God's mind concerning sin, there can be no doubt that both abortion and homosexual acts are sins against God's moral laws. To say otherwise is to show disregard for his written word that says unjustified killing of another person, i.e., abortion, is murder, and that homosexual acts are an abomination in God's sight. But a Christian also realizes that God still loves the abortionist sinner and the homosexual sinner just the same as he loves any other lost sinner, and that he offers full pardon to ALL truly repentant sinners who will accept his offer of salvation by grace through faith in his Son.

I doubt very much that you want my prayers on your behalf. But I will nevertheless pray for God to open your heart to the truth of his word, and that he will lead you to recognize that he, and not our own intellect, is the final arbiter of right and wrong.

434 posted on 05/02/2005 6:41:33 PM PDT by epow (In His grip.)
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