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To: brooklin
"What's the beef with Adams?"

He enacted the Alien" and "Sedition" acts. On his defeat, and before the end of his term, he packed the court with federalist judges, one of which was Marbury, who, in the infamous Marbury v Madison, forever interpretted the Constitution to mean exactly what the Supreme Court Justices says it means. It is what allows our government, especially the judiciary, to run rough shod over the Constitution's original intent....his federalist views are the reason he hated Jefferson so.

17 posted on 02/22/2005 3:27:04 PM PST by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: gorush

Good reasons.


20 posted on 02/22/2005 3:30:25 PM PST by brooklin
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To: gorush

Marbury did not decide Marbury v. Madison!!! He was a party in that case and had been appointed by Adams to a lower-level federal position (a magistrate is a far cry from the Supreme Court.) The decision in Marbury was authored by Marshall--he set the precedent of which you complain. In fact, Marbury lost the case--on the way to saying that the Court could interpret the constitutionality of an Act, the Court ruled that the Act under which Adams appointed Marbury was invalid. If you're going to accuse Adams of malfeasance, at least get it right!


21 posted on 02/22/2005 3:33:20 PM PST by VRWCisme
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To: gorush
He enacted the Alien" and "Sedition" acts.

He was the President, not the king. He may have enacted the law by signing into law, but it did not originate with him, or even suggested by him. It was born were all law are born in this country -- in the Congress.

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On his defeat, and before the end of his term, he packed the court with federalist judges, one of which was Marbury, who, in the infamous Marbury v Madison,....

Ah, William Marbury was given an appointment to be justice of the peace in the D.C. area. He was never on the SCOTUS. He wasn't even an attorney. His was a "mid-night appointment" by Adams -- one of a hundred or so -- and became the test-case chosen by Federalists attorneys. By the time Marbury's case got the the SCOTUS, something like three years had already passed, the man already found himself another, highly agreeable job and its highly doubtful if he would have even taken the initial offer.

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"...case was , one of forever interpretted the Constitution to mean exactly what the Supreme Court Justices says it means."

This is the work of the 3rd CJ of SCOTUS John Marshall, distant cousin of Thomas Jefferson, one of Adams "midnight appointees", who serve on SCOTUS only after Jefferson became president.

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" ....his (Adam's) federalist views are the reason he hated Jefferson so.

While there was certainly no love lost between the two men, I think the word "hated" is a bit extreme, esp. when re: to John Adams.

It is a different story, however, when it comes to Mr. Jefferson. He had "loathing", shall we say, for a good many men: John Marshall, Patrick Henry, George Washington in his second term (oh, yes he did), John Adams, Aaron Burr, to name a few. Mr. Jefferson had what we would call today "a thin skin"

29 posted on 02/22/2005 4:00:35 PM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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