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Ex-troops (Mexican) aiding drug traffickers
The Washington Times ^ | Feb 24, 2005 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 02/24/2005 12:42:44 PM PST by WindOracle

Former Mexican soldiers, police and federal agents, originally trained as an elite force of anti-drug commandos, are working as mercenaries for Mexican narcotics traffickers, bringing a new wave of drug-related killings into the United States, authorities said.

Law-enforcement and intelligence officials said the well-armed gang, known as the "Zetas," is linked to hundreds of killings and dozens of kidnappings on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border, particularly over a wide area of southeastern Texas from Laredo to Brownsville and in cities throughout Mexico.

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To: Poohbah
The Army relies on the National Guard.

The Army is indeed being helped by the NG in Iraq at this time, but it doesn't rely on it to be deployable. And your assertion that if we deploy NG troops on the border the army "can't go anywhere else" is laughably ignorant.

You merely maintain the already high odds of al-Qaeda using another attack vector--specifically, one of the ones you would leave uncovered, such as over-the-beach or the Canadian border

You assume I was referring to deploying both NG troops and extra BP only on our Southern border -- and you're wrong, as is your wont.

Your stated mission of "homeland security" is a shield for the real mission of shutting down illegal immigration from Mexico.

Does continuing to make false assumptions - making a complete and public ass out of yourself in the process - get you off or something? You are one sick dude, Poob.

41 posted on 02/25/2005 11:42:56 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
The Army is indeed being helped by the NG in Iraq at this time, but it doesn't rely on it to be deployable.

Actually, it does. It was a deliberate policy decision made in the wake of the Vietnam War, to ensure that the next big war would involve a National Guard callup--and thus keep politicians from shoving the Army into wars without public involvement, and them blaming the Army when said wars went sour.

And your assertion that if we deploy NG troops on the border the army "can't go anywhere else" is laughably ignorant.

The National Guard provides a majority of the combat service support functions of the Army. No combat service support, no deployability.

You assume I was referring to deploying both NG troops and extra BP only on our Southern border -- and you're wrong, as is your wont.

In other words, you'd take the very limited manpower plus-up you'd get, and then disperse it so far and wide that no one would even notice they were there--including the illegal aliens and WMD-carrying terrorists.

Does continuing to make false assumptions - making a complete and public ass out of yourself in the process - get you off or something? You are one sick dude, Poob.

Your declared mission, as you defined it, based on the threat you cited, is utterly unachievable. That means that either (a) you are a complete fool (a possibility that is open to debate, but one that I won't assume to be the case), or (b) you have another mission in mind.

You're either stupid, or you're dissembling. Let me know which label you prefer.

42 posted on 02/25/2005 11:51:59 AM PST by Poohbah ("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
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To: Poohbah
Your declared mission, as you defined it, based on the threat you cited, is utterly unachievable.

Yeah, I figured the concept of "odds" hadn't penetrated that thick skull of yours. ......either that or you have an agenda to destroy America. So you're either a cretin or a traitor. Which is it, boy?

43 posted on 02/25/2005 11:59:32 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Poohbah
Sorry, that is how the Army works.

Have to disagree, Mr. Poobah. Since British soldiers conveniently lined up wearing bright red coats our military has and continues to modify itself to conform to the requirements of an ever-fluid reality. They are nearly unrecognizable from the forces that carried off the Gulf War over a decade ago, just as the hidebound tactics of Vietnam were anethema to those in Schwarzkopf's era. Accomplishing what they did after Clinton spent eight years gutting their resources proved that our military can overcome almost anything.

The National Guard and Reserves are not being utilized as intended, anyway. They are shoring up a personnel shortage that would not be occurring if our all-volunteer military was paid and treated as it deserves. On that front the liberal Democrat establishment can count it's "victory" one body-bag at a time, as I consider every casualty due to another soldier not being there to cover a back.

44 posted on 02/25/2005 12:14:27 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
The National Guard and Reserves are not being utilized as intended, anyway. They are shoring up a personnel shortage that would not be occurring if our all-volunteer military was paid and treated as it deserves.

We are at the upper limit on how many bodies we can legally put in uniform right now. The total authorized end strength is the limit here.

45 posted on 02/25/2005 12:22:15 PM PST by Poohbah ("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
So you're either a cretin or a traitor. Which is it, boy?

Given that you are, out of stupidity or another motive, pushing an agenda for our military in line with the desires of Beijing, Pyongyang, and Teheran, I would be very careful lobbing that allegation around.

46 posted on 02/25/2005 12:24:27 PM PST by Poohbah ("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
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To: Poohbah
.....pushing an agenda for our military in line with the desires of Beijing, Pyongyang, and Teheran

Tell that to the 48% of the Freepers who voted to "militarize the borders" in the latest FR poll.

Our enemies would like nothing more than see mushroom clouds on American soil, and beefing up the BP in combination with deploying the NG significantly decreases the chances of such an act of terrorism happening.

I'll repeat my assertion: YOU are a traitor.

47 posted on 02/25/2005 12:30:26 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Tell that to the 48% of the Freepers who voted to "militarize the borders" in the latest FR poll.

Remember that, by definition, half of the people out there are "below average" intelligence.

Our enemies would like nothing more than see mushroom clouds on American soil, and beefing up the BP in combination with deploying the NG significantly decreases the chances of such an act of terrorism happening.

After you spread your limited increase in manpower to cover all 19,000 miles of US frontier, you are likely to end up increasing the likelihood of someone getting through with WMD. And it completely forecloses the offensive option--in other words, it foregoes the option of winning over the long term, and instead places us on a road to defeat.

I'll repeat my assertion: YOU are a traitor.

That's exactly what a loyal mouthpiece of Beijing, Pyongyang, and Teheran would say about me. To them, I am a traitor to their vision of the world.

48 posted on 02/25/2005 12:39:38 PM PST by Poohbah ("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
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To: Poohbah
After you spread your limited increase in manpower to cover all 19,000 miles of US frontier, you are likely to end up increasing the likelihood of someone getting through with WMD

Only in the feeble mind of either a traitor or someone who's delusional beyond repair. And the increase in manpower I advocate would be significant. ....especially with the BP.

And it completely forecloses the offensive option

You keep repeating this inanity, but it bears no relation to reality whatsoever.

49 posted on 02/25/2005 12:46:08 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Poohbah; Mr. Mojo
"Your declared mission, as you defined it, based on the threat you cited, is utterly unachievable. That means that either (a) you are a complete fool (a possibility that is open to debate, but one that I won't assume to be the case), or (b) you have another mission in mind.

You're either stupid, or you're dissembling. Let me know which label you prefer."

Hey Poob, you're the one advocating a French military course of action -- retreating then surrendering without a shot being fired.

Who's "stupid" here?

50 posted on 02/25/2005 5:31:27 PM PST by F16Fighter
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