Posted on 02/24/2005 8:28:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
On February 18, The Nature Conservancy partnered with the Natural Resources Conservation Service, which is a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. This is another “partnership” with immense powers and no public input, whatsoever – no knowledge, no discussion, no opinion, no vote, nothing. The Nature Conservancy is a non-profit. That is laughable. TNC is a multi-billion dollar “non-profit” biodiversity conservation organization with assets nearing 3 billion dollars. They are a global land acquisition group up to its eyeballs in U.N. global governance missions and Agenda 21 implementation, and it partners with anyone who will further its agenda to acquire more and more and more land. Over 15 million acres in the United States (probably much more) and over 102 million acres in the rest of the world, this “non-profit” owns nearly 120 million acres of land. If that doesn’t scare you, and the news of their constant, daily attempted land grabbing doesn’t scare you, then their partnering with the USDA’s Natural Resources Conservation Service sure as heck better.
"Together, the Conservancy and NRCS have set a new standard, one that will influence conservation nationwide. The Memorandum of Understanding that was signed promotes the sharing of conservation practices, strategies and scientific expertise," said Mark Rey, USDA's Under Secretary for Natural Resources and Environment.
"The agreement supports our mutual goals and will help more private landowners be aware of NRCS conservation programs that are available. This new partnership is what the President refers to as cooperative conservation. We need cooperative conservation like this to achieve our collective national conservation goals."
Well, Under Secretary Rey, you failed to tell, we, the people, to whom you report, anything whatsoever about your intention to partner with TNC, the NRCS’s goals, the “new standard,” the TNC/NRCS’s conjoined goals, or your collective national conservation goals. When was that press release that the entire nation missed?
As a citizen of this country, I don’t like you signing a “Memorandum of Understanding” when I am clueless about your missions, goals, intentions, or reliability. You work for the people of this country, and you are wheeling and dealing behind our backs and without our consent. In fact, you have entered into the business of illegal land acquisition based upon any conservation assertion that you and TNC can find. It is theft because you do not have the permission of the people you work for to partner with anyone who does not follow the laws and rights of the people in this country. We are your employers. You cannot use “memorandums” to plan the continued take-over of privately held land and water. You need our prior knowledge, our input, and our vote, or you are not acting legally or as a public servant.
Got it?
According to Steve McCormick, President and CEO of The Nature Conservancy, "The Conservancy has worked closely for years with NRCS staff around the country. This new agreement will encourage our organizations to collaborate even more closely. Together we will strive to develop effective conservation strategies and learning opportunities that will help advance the goals of voluntary private land and water conservation."
Mr. McCormick, I would like to know what the “goals of private property” means to you. I know what private property means to me, but since you have decided to take it upon yourself to “help advance the goals of voluntary private land,” I would like you to lay those goals out on the table. I want your definition of “voluntary private land and water.” What, in God’s name, does that mean? I want you to talk to the American people about the “goals” of The Nature Conservancy that have anything whatsoever to do with private property.
In fact, I demand that you do since your organization now miraculously trumps the constitutional rights of American citizens. When did that vote take place?
It is the belief of this writer that TNC/NRCS partnership, and others like it, created without public knowledge or vote, will institute further and massive land and water acquisitions based upon their manipulated strategies of choosing. These strategies will further the eco/global-education of American school children, and continue the global governance missions of the U.N. and it’s implementation plan, Agenda 21. That is the 2-sentence truth, and both sentences are self-explanatory.
Websites for truth and integrity: www.eco.freedom.org and www.sovereignty.net. These are very, very important websites for American people. You need to read the articles that they post because you are losing your country.
PING
What can we do??
BUMP Even with "citizen boards" we are in trouble, because the ones who gravitate to and serve on these boards are the ones of whom we have be (and should be) worried.
that would be tattoo.
Start exercising the power of your vote. If elected officials won't work for us, we don't re-elect them period. We will try someone new. In essence, we can mandate term limits. Either they vote the will of the constituents who put them there or they are gone after one term.
Public/private partnerships are unconstitutional.
Starting locally work with your local officials and let them know you don't want them to support any more federal purchases of land that will go to NGOs like the Nature Conservancy. Tell your friends not to donate money to these groups. You will have to get others to go to meetings that the NRCS holds and let them know that you will hold them to the US Constitution.
This website has some ideas.
http://www.learn-usa.org/
The fact of the matter is, is that citizens must work with other citizens to restore Constitutional government. It can be done, it won't be easy. If Al Gore can tell Americans we must undergo a wrenching transformation to the socialist America he envisions, why can't we wrench the country back to where it belongs?
Yes, most of the meetings are held by consensus.
If citizens attend these meetings they must insist that Roberts Rules of Order be followed. NO MORE will Americans tolerate their government stolen by facilitators and the consensus process.
15 million acres is over 23,400 square miles, which is larger than many eastern states, or more than 1/7 of California. Enough is enough.
Vote libertarian party even if you know they dont have a chance of winning it beats the hell out of holding your nose and voting for the slightly lesser of two evils that you knowfor a fact wil take away your rights and increase the size of goveremnt at a slightly slower pace then the dems
I appreciate your updates on the nefarious schemes and alliances of the land/water grabbers. The unconstitutional accomplishments of evil-doers such as these are mind-bogling. We, the victims had better wake up and take control of our country before we lose it.
Ping your friends. This article has some facts that everyone should know that tell us how deeply the public/private partnerships have corrupted our political system and weakened our rights.
ping
The thread title says "NRSC" not "NRCS".
BTTT!!!!!!
The author hit the nail on the head in ppg 5 when she said she was clueless.
Unless we can get more people to vote libertarian a vote cast for them is useless. We need more people to vote libertarian and we need to educate them so they do so. That is the hard part.
Because we can't get any cooperation or agreement on getting rid of the New Deal. The drug war has made the right complicit in the abuse of the Commerce Clause, and the "social conservatives" are so convinced of the absolute necessity of the end they refuse to even consider the unintended consequences of the means.
BTT
The conversation would be more interesting if you substantiated your comment.
So... what parts of the government can we sue for not upholding our Constitution?
And what is that legal term that applies to a contract that becomes null when it's provisions and clauses are routinely violated and unenforced?
We either need to have our current Constitution upheld and enforced, or we need to start working on the means for a new one.
BTW, start with your local officials and your friends and neighbors.
Though there are few details on the arragements, the author lets a few key words slip by and you can see that this is the Cooperative Conservation Initiative. Hardly super secret and sinister, there is much info on the internet.
Then the author says it is all a conspiricy for the govt to seize land. But wait, these are private sector grants paid for by the Land and Water Conservation Fund. The LWCF is the funding mechanism by which the govt has bought private property for 40 years. We should be converting all of the LWCF into private sector grants.
It is entirely possible that you are the biggest kook at Free Republic.
Do you work for the federal government or for a ngo or private or public corporation partnering with the government on land use or conservation? If you just don't keep in touch with your own government, here is one example you can use to inform yourself on the matter.
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A California Superior Court jury found Santa Barbara planning officials "illegally conspired" to harm a family farm. The Adams Bros. were prevented from cultivating on their land because the county used a "willingly incompetent" consultant to designate the land a "wetland".
A California Superior Court jury found Santa Barbara planning officials "illegally conspired" to harm a family farm. The Adams Bros. were prevented from cultivating on their land because the county used a "willingly incompetent" consultant to designate the land a "wetland". Once declared a wetland the land lost market value. The jury found the county's objective may have been to purchase the land through eminent domain at a bargain basement price. The awards, including punitive damages, totaled $6.7 million. Richard Brenneman, attorney for Adams Bros. Farms, will discuss this precedent setting case and shocking story as the farmer now awaits a federal criminal trial for plowing his land! Michael Shaw will serve as host.
ftp://www.freedom21santacruz.net/pub/radio/2005_02_02_A_shaw_bren_web.mp3
LAND GRABBER JOHN TURNER being considered by BUSH for SECRETARY OF INTERIOR
John Turner supported CARA, the Condemnation and Relocation Act. Remember CARA and you have described the way the Conservation Fund works. John Turner and the Conservation Fund SUPPORT conservation easements which undermine private land ownership and the local tax base. They love Federal land acquisition funded by the Land and Water Conservation Fund. Big oil, gas and minerals money goes into this FUND to support land exchanges, acquisitions and conservation easements. Looks good...SMELLS BAD.
The Conservation Fund brags about "retiring" grazing permits and buying private timberland, working deals to buy huge amounts of private land and conservation easements, most often turning vast amounts of acreage over to government ownership. Never mind the lost jobs and damaged communities. The Conservation Fund has systematically acquired millions of acres of private land through donations, exchanges and purchase for the US Government.
The Conservation fund often operates in stealth, just like the Rockefellers did when they secretly purchased most of what is now Grand Teton National Park from ranchers having no idea they were endangering their lifestyle.
Now John Turner uses Rockefeller money to do the same thing in other national parks, wildlife refuges and natural areas all over America. He is working right now to convert 26 million acres of the Northern Forests of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and New York into Federal ownership and control.
WHERE were you when John Turner was the Director of the US Fish and Wildlife Service from 1988 to 1993?
This is when the Endangered Species Act and Spotted Owl controversy took hold and the precedents were set under the US Fish and Wildlife Service. This is when tens of thousands of rural residents lost their jobs. This is when the dominos began to fall for the Endangered Species Act and rural America.
The Conservation Fund has received millions of dollars of tax deductible contributions from oil, gas and minerals companies that then donate their abandoned or excess properties to the Conservation Fund in order to be used to leverage HUGE government land exchanges. The result is always less private land, more government land. The Conservation Fund was started by Pat Noonan who founded and led the Nature Conservancy to national prominence. The Conservation Fund has worked quietly with the Land Trust Alliance and other organizations to teach thousands of people how to take your land and convert it to government ownership.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a4103533ac1.htm
As I pointed out, there are often justifiable objections.
Your problem, is the inability to discern between the objectional events and the work-arounds of the objectional events.
You are also unable to discern the difference between land that is taken for preservation and land that an owner wants to be preserved.
What does society think?
American society was built on individualism not collectivism.
In fact, the problems with those Congressional policies of settling the western US, including the La Purchase, are still with us today.
Consider all those western lands that stayed in the hands of the feds. When mineral royalties on those lands were collected, the feds split that royalty with the state govt.
When the Submerged Lands Act passed, Eisenhower considered that splitting of the mineral royalties when he conceived of the funding acts based on the outer continental shelf royalties.
So you have LWCF('65), Historical Sites('66), Urban Park('72), and Marine Historic('94). There were also the two Titles of CARA that never passed, but are still being funded. These are all traceable back to the 19th century.
Individually, none of these amount to much money. All total, its just a few billion a year.
AS everybody knows, some of this money is easily abused. The question is, how to stop it. Your not going to stop it by acting like a kook.
The creation of these market enviro private sector grants has deducted a significant amount of that LWCF money that was being abused. Not all, but significant.
So now the kooks chime in. "I don't want that grant money going to TNC". Somebody else complains that the grant goes to a timber company, or Ducks Unlimited, or a tribe. Some people complain that BillyBob used one of the grants to build a nice deer camp in east Texas.
The issue is not who gets the money, but who you are taking the money away from, the feds.
So how much land do you think the federal government should own? 70, 80 or 90%?
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Feds claim 91.9% of Nevada
At least the parts of it that Nevadans can call their own.
All but 8.1 percent of the state is in the hands of federal agencies, according to an inventory by the U.S. General Services Administration.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1351003/posts
For most people the issue is dealing with the aspects of the way it is on a practical basis.
Most of the land in the western US that is owned by the feds has nothing to do with the LWCF. That is a very long and complex story that is out of the realm of FR discussion. I could suggest a history book or two for you?
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