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Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie
Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
by CBS4 News reporter Raj Chohan
Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm US/Mountain BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) Boulder County resident Duke Prentup has been a fan of native American art for as long as he can remember. That love of art took him to the home of Ward Churchill in the early 1980's, where Prentup bought several pieces of Churchill's art, including a serigraph titled "Winter Attack."
"I have enjoyed them ever since immensely, they're obviously up inside my house," Prentup said.
Last month came a stunning revelation, though, as as Prentup flipped through a 1972 book called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains written and illustrated by the late artist Thomas E. Mails. He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece.
(Excerpt) See the rest of the article, and photo comparisons of the 2 pieces of art here: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html
(Excerpt) Read more at news4colorado.com ...
Peyton, you gave me an idea. I Googled Churchill and silkscreen, and the work of "art" is on Ebay!
Quick, someone capture it before it goes down. I am good at some things, but this ain't it...
LOL you beat me to it. You might want to save the page to your hard drive, too, for posterity.
you are good, Howlin! Thanks.
For what it's worth, the site had all those weird characters on it when I went there too. Wonder when it went up for sale? And who is selling? The guy in the News4 story, Prentup?
DENVERAn exhaustive investigation by Bob Newman of Newsradio 850 KOA (Denver), who is also a frequent guest military & terrorism analyst on the FOX News Channel and a Men's News Daily columnist, into the genuine Vietnam service record of radical University of Colorado Professor Ward Churchill, has revealed that Churchills claimed combat experience is in direct contradiction to his official military records.
After a confidential source provided Mr. Newman with documents pertaining to Professor Churchills military service and his employment at the University of Colorado, Mr. Newman began an investigation into the documents authenticity.
Using his own sources and calling upon the investigative skills of FOX News Channels Rita Cosby, Mr. Newman was able to verify that Professor Churchill, despite his public claim (in a 1987 Denver Post interview) of having been a paratrooper (Airborne qualified) who conducted long-range reconnaissance patrols (LRRPs; extremely dangerous missions conducted by some of the most elite soldiers in the US Army) hunting North Vietnamese in Vietnam during and after the Tet Offensive of 1968, and despite his claim that he was a point man in an infantry combat unit, was in fact trained only as a jeep driver and projectionist (he was trained to operate film-strip machines and movie projectors), according to official documentation from the National Personnel Records Center, the US repository for military records.
Denver attorneys Dan Caplis and Craig Silverman, both colleagues of Mr. Newman at Clear Channel Colorado, then acquired Professor Churchills original resume that resulted in his being hired by the University of Colorado. That resume matched exactly the resume Gunny Bob had acquired from his confidential source. On that resume, Professor Churchill cited no combat experience whatsoever, no Airborne training, no infantry training or experience and no winning of the Combat Infantry Badge. Instead, it said his experience in Vietnam consisted of his duties as a Public Information Specialist, as which he wrote and edited the battalion newsletter and wrote news releases.
Verification of Professor Churchills real Vietnam service record was completed with the direct assistance of the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.
Gunny Bob notes that in the same 1987 Denver Post report, Professor Churchill admitted to being a bomb-building and weapons instructor for the Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist group active in the 1970s.
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How hard is it to superimpose them? Is anything beyond a single linear transform necessary to make almost everything 'fit'? If the thing were merely eyeballed off the original, it might have some merit (though unless the original was in the public domain or he had permission of the original artist, that would still be a no-no). But the photos don't make me think he even did that.
"View Partial Source" is the bomb, eh??
It looks fake, but accurate, to me.
Pretty quick work, huh?
LOL... he's even an art fraud.
AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA... what else doesn't he do?
WOWEE!! that is perfect,...I swear
REmove the .tw from the middle of the ebay url for a page in English.
We already know what a pathetic bastard this Churchill guy is and thus, no new revelation is a surprise.
Great find! Somehow Burkett and MSWord are involved. I just know it. ;-)
The original is better!
Is somebody going to pass this along to BOR or somebody in the media?
yeah,...but don't you have a feelin' Mr. Rove's fingerprints are,...well,....oh no
Wonder is WC is really producing so new work?
Um, I copied that from eBay, while I was logged in; is it active? LOL.........I mean, can people find out who I am?
Howlin, "view partial source" is be the bomb alright. But it's still Greek to me, I'm embarrassed to say.
Really... this is why FR is so good. So many people, with so many divergent levels and areas of expertise. It's called Teamwork.
Unless of course someone saves the photos too? (hint hint)
Did he take a clue from Dan Rather's "accurate but fake"
Are these idiots related ..??
====================== Transcript for Part I:
Question from audience: You mentioned a little bit ago, Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago, thats my question.
And as a white man standing here in your midst from a fairly liberal/conservative/middle of the road backgroundand I tell people Im so far left Im coming up on the rigtand Id like you to respond to, why shouldnt we do something and how could we move so they dont see us coming?
Churchill: Im gonna repeat that, tell me if I got that right: Why shouldnt we do something and how do you you move so they dont see you coming.
As to the first part, not a reason in the world that I could see. I cant find a single reason that you shouldnt in a principled waythere may be some practical considerations, such as do you know how (laughter from audience)you know, often these things are processes. Its not just an impulse. And certainly its not just an event. And the simple answer, although it probably should be more complicated, but Im not being flip and giving the simple answer, is: You carry the weapon. Thats how they dont see it coming.
Youre the one They talk about color blind or blind to your color. You said it yourself.
You dont send the Black Liberation Army into Wall Street to conduct an action.
You dont send the American Indian Movement into downtown Seattle to conduct an action. Who do you send? You. Your beard shaved, your hair cut close, and wearing a bankers suit.
Theres probably a whole lot more to it, you know that. But theres where you start.
======================= Transcript for Part II:
If you are Arab, for example, you are automatically profiled as a potential terrorist. Period. And you can be asked to leave a plane because some Nordic-looking woman two rows down tells the stewardess shes not comfortable with you being thereher presence makes her uncomfortablewhy? Because it was Arabs who flew planes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. See. And that factshes on an airplane and theres an Arab and somehow psychologically it makes her uncomfortable so its very understandable that she not be asked to leave since shes made it clear that shes not going to be a very big risk to the flight, but rather the individuals sitting there doing nothing have to leave.
And why by the way did it take Arabs to do what people here should have done a long time ago?
======================== Transcript for Part III:
Question from audience:
Im backing up a step to the Twin Towers falling down, um, theres been implications about how well, the first thing I thought about when it down was Oh [expletive], that plays right into what they want to do to us. Maybe you can follow up on that. [applause]
Churchill: Your first thought was, well, yeah, you put it pretty well, Ill accept you at your word, your first thought was Oh [expletive], that plays right into what they want to do to us.
Well, then, welcome to the club! Welcome to the club along with 565,000 Iraqi children who were systemically starved and denied medical attention to death in less than 10 years while Madeline Albright goes on television on 60 Minutes no less, receives the number, and says yes, Ive heard it, weve decided its worth the cost.
Welcome to the club with the rest of the world. A little bit. I dont care if it plays into the hands of what they had in mind for you unless youre doing something tangible to make it stop, whats already being done to those people on the receiving end.
Why should you be exempt and immune? So instead of Oh [expletive], right on. Right on.
And Im trying to elicit some response. I want someone to take this up, because I know you all arent agreeing with me on this.
======================= Transcript for Part IV:
Churchill on getting revenge for speeding tickets: And Im not really comfortable with, since Im presenting no public hazard ever when Im ticketed, can attest to that, we can take that further at some point tonight if youd like to, if youd like to challenge it, but Im presenting no public hazard, Im simply being asked to ante up to pay for my own repression.
Not being comfortable with that, I have a rule of thumb: I smile very politely to the cop, take the ticket, look to see how much the fine is going to be, and before I leave that state, I make sure I cause at least that much property damage in state material before I go, so its a wash, boys and girls (laughter and applause).
Hehehe that what old Injun Ward can do with the speaking fee he just got from University of Hawaii. Wait, he probably spent it all already.
"Sure, it makes me angry, it makes me very disappointed," Prentup said. "I wanted some original artwork from what appeared to be a very good local artist. Now I don't know what I've got."
If he doesn't know what he's got, Injun Ward should offer to sell him another original art piece.
Another classic on this thread. Great work, BJungNan! LOL
Shouldn't that be "STUNEING"?
I just e-mailed a note to the seller on eBay asking if he was familiar with the news story. Included part of the article and the URL to read it. Will post any response. :-)
Excellent work, Howlin'!
I've left a note using the Ask Seller A Question feature to notify the seller of the bogus nature of Churchill's "art" with a link to the news item.
Well, I certainly am stuned, how about you?
Is she the twit that was on the Committee who wouldn't give up her seat ..?? Is she that Berry?
I hope nobody can log into my eBay page from #57........LOL.
Dang! Yer fast!!!
One might say that Ward Churchill is PROSTHETIC.
You should tell the bidders rather than the seller.
That auction is going to see some traffic starting real soon.
But .. he obtained the job through fraud - using Affirmative Action by claiming to be an American Indian.
And .. it's highly unusual for a person without a doctorate degree to be given charge of a dept at a university.