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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie

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To: Drango

Didn't I tell you somebody would be right along to help find it? :-)

We kick butt here; and the thing that makes me furious is that the damn blogs will steal all this and run with it starting about 7 a.m. today!


201 posted on 02/25/2005 12:47:47 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Drango

I Googled "Little Big Man" images and it was on the first page of results.


202 posted on 02/25/2005 12:48:02 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Howlin
There is no way all these "styles" of art were done by one artist. Am calling the Denver TV station with a recommendation to check this thread, ebay and elsewhere.
203 posted on 02/25/2005 12:48:17 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: Flyer

I wouldn't know where to begin to know where to look!

I am just a thread starter, not a researcher.......


204 posted on 02/25/2005 12:48:38 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: MindBender26

I emailed Craig Silverman!


205 posted on 02/25/2005 12:49:07 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Flyer
http://www.texiancowboy.com/tcwe/deadwood.htm
Little Big Man Photo-Postcard
- LITTLE BIG MAN - Ogalalla Dakota Sioux As a member of the Sioux tribe, Little Big Man battled against the “white” intruders during the late 19th century. In September 1875, during negotiations at Red Cloud Agency regarding the future ownership of the Black Hills, he led a mock charge at the white commissioners by a large group of warriors. Firing their guns and shouting ritual war chants, they badly scared everyone but did no physical damage. After the Wounded Knee massacre of his tribe, the Sioux were forced to surrender and remain on reservations. Little Big Man was later made an agency policeman. (Credit Photo: W.H. Jackson circa 1870’s) TCWEKQ92

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Churchill is in big trouble. Have to get this to News 4 Colorado ASAP!

206 posted on 02/25/2005 12:49:37 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

Is that a channel that is really covering this?

Call NOW!


208 posted on 02/25/2005 12:51:13 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

Do you have the link to Churchill's artwork that he claims to have drawn?


209 posted on 02/25/2005 12:52:18 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

On eBay?


210 posted on 02/25/2005 12:52:39 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: ajolympian2004

www.grandfathersspirit.com

Noooooo.....I'm late again. Just found it....Ok, who was the original photographer? Who has the copyright?


211 posted on 02/25/2005 12:53:08 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Howlin
Oh, here's a good bumper sticker I just found on eBay:


212 posted on 02/25/2005 12:55:11 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Drango

http://www.grandfathersspirit.com/native/cards.html
It's about i/2 down...


213 posted on 02/25/2005 12:55:13 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango

http://www.grandfathersspirit.com/cards/111LittleBigMan.html
Found it

Little Big Man
Sioux, Oglala
Photographed by Charles M. Bell
Copyright 1877

Oglala Sioux Warrior. A fearless and respected
warrior who fought along side of Crazy Horse
against Bear Coat Miles, Little Big Man opposed the
treaty and the commission that wanted to take the
Black Hills from the Sioux. He was later made into
an agency policeman by the whiteman, and some
think that he was partially responsible for the death
of Crazy Horse.


214 posted on 02/25/2005 12:56:41 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: ajolympian2004

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20135&item=7301994112&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20148&item=7302524684&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=360&item=7301790643&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


215 posted on 02/25/2005 12:57:27 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin


ROTFLOL!
Now "that" is art.


216 posted on 02/25/2005 12:57:27 AM PST by onyx (Henry Kissinger: Asked if SoS Rice calls him, replied, "no never, she doesn't need advice.")
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To: Howlin

It would be strange in this topsy-turvy world that the fake art generates higher worth than the originals just because they are fake.


217 posted on 02/25/2005 1:00:55 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: Drango; McGavin999

Are we doing what I think we are doing? Find the originals of pictures he has sold and claimed as his own? (Just checking here....it's late in NC)


218 posted on 02/25/2005 1:01:53 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

Yes we are....finding the copyright holder too!


219 posted on 02/25/2005 1:03:58 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango; Howlin; All

NOTHING can make it past FReepers!!!

Well done, all!


220 posted on 02/25/2005 1:05:58 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Can you even believe this?

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how this guy thought he'd get away with this.

Like I said up the thread, he's the Scott Peterson of academia.


221 posted on 02/25/2005 1:07:08 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Drango

Yo quierro Taco Bell?

I think he copied this from early, discarded "concept" drawings by Taco Bell's ad agency.

Maybe he'll soon be "making a run for the border".

222 posted on 02/25/2005 1:07:51 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

yeah,...back at #22 I said he'd be goin'


223 posted on 02/25/2005 1:10:21 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Howlin
The "Original" purchaser on the Ebay auction states he bought the "art" directly from Churchill in 1980. By all accounts that is long before Al Gore invented the internet and long before Google.

Apparently Churchill believed research would always be a tedious, by-hand task.

224 posted on 02/25/2005 1:10:51 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Howlin
We haven't proven any fraud with this particular image. Since the photo looks well over 100 years old, it's likely in the public domain. Now, if WC took an old non-copyrighted photograph and traced lines from it to make a stylized version that he sold as "art," he hasn't done anything wrong.

What we need to do to keep looking to see if some OTHER artist thought of doing this first and then WC copied the other artist's line drawing. Now THAT would be the smoking gun we'd need to find.

225 posted on 02/25/2005 1:10:55 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: deport; Miss Marple; cyncooper; MEG33; EllaMinnow; TexKat; AmericanMade1776; ...

You're gonna love this one.


226 posted on 02/25/2005 1:11:40 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

Oh, I'm loving it all. Yet another leftist is exposed as the loser he is.


227 posted on 02/25/2005 1:12:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Well it's not fraud and it's not a copyright violation but it's also NOT art. And it is unethical.


228 posted on 02/25/2005 1:13:16 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: RandallFlagg

This guy has lied about so much stuff, I'm beginning to wonder if he's really a guy.


229 posted on 02/25/2005 1:13:28 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin
I emailed this info to News 4, Channel 7 and 9 News here in Denver so far: More Ward Churchill art fraud ---

Copyrighted version info:

http://www.grandfathersspirit.com/cards/111LittleBigMan.html

Little Big Man Sioux, Oglala Photographed by Charles M. Bell Copyright 1877

Oglala Sioux Warrior. A fearless and respected warrior who fought along side of Crazy Horse against Bear Coat Miles, Little Big Man opposed the treaty and the commission that wanted to take the Black Hills from the Sioux. He was later made into an agency policeman by the whiteman, and some think that he was partially responsible for the death of Crazy Horse.

http://www.texiancowboy.com/tcwe/deadwood.htm

Ogalalla Dakota Sioux

As a member of the Sioux tribe, Little Big Man battled against the “white” intruders during the late 19th century. In September 1875, during negotiations at Red Cloud Agency regarding the future ownership of the Black Hills, he led a mock charge at the white commissioners by a large group of warriors. Firing their guns and shouting ritual war chants, they badly scared everyone but did no physical damage. After the Wounded Knee massacre of his tribe, the Sioux were forced to surrender and remain on reservations. Little Big Man was later made an agency policeman. (Credit Photo: W.H. Jackson circa 1870’s)

http://www.texiancowboy.com/tcwe/images/KQ%20Postcards/92_lrg_vert.jpg

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Ward Churchill's version on E-Bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20148&item=7302524684&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

230 posted on 02/25/2005 1:14:41 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

Someone needs to save the ebay "art" to their hard drive. Not me:-) Night all.


231 posted on 02/25/2005 1:16:29 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango

But now I see in post #213 - "Photographed by Charles M. Bell
Copyright 1877." Could it be that this image's copyright has been continuously renewed since 1877 and is therefore NOT in the pubic domain?


232 posted on 02/25/2005 1:16:34 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: Drango; Howlin
Another side by side comparison.

Ward Churchill is a fraud

233 posted on 02/25/2005 1:16:38 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Howlin

Go for it.

There are so many "styles" of art claimed by this fool, some art specialist can pick up even more!


234 posted on 02/25/2005 1:17:17 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: Flyer

Look at the feathers and the detail there. It's an exact copy!


235 posted on 02/25/2005 1:18:00 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Exactly. nothing wrong with pen-and-inking a public domain photo. Lots of artists do that. Reversing and copying a work by a modern artist is quite another matter.


236 posted on 02/25/2005 1:18:08 AM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: jonrick46

Nothing is strange anymore. I feel like I live in a parallel universe.


237 posted on 02/25/2005 1:24:06 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
We haven't proven any fraud with this particular image.

It may may not be legal fraud, but it exposes the fraud that Ward Churchill is.

He sold this art as his original, as a Native American artist. Both lies.

238 posted on 02/25/2005 1:24:27 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Drango

I did.


239 posted on 02/25/2005 1:24:46 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC; Flyer
But he SIGNED IT!


240 posted on 02/25/2005 1:28:00 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Flyer; PRND21
He sold this art as his original, as a Native American artist. Both lies.

But look what somebody found and Freepmailed me:

Tuesday, 8 February 2005

Ward Off

I’m not sure that I agree with Ophelia Benson about Ward Churchill. She quotes the following passage (I can’t tell where it was from):

David Bradley, a well-known Indian artist in Santa Fe, earned Churchill’s wrath by championing federal legislation that required those selling their work as Indian art to be able to prove their tribal ties. “In the 1980s, money was flying like confetti around here. You had dozens of people pretending they were Indian and selling their art,” Bradley said. “We had everything stolen from us for 500 years, and I wasn’t going to let them take our art as well.” Churchill, who is also a painter, took issue with the effort. “He wrote this slanderous attack about me. He tried to impugn my motives,” Bradley said. “He ought to be fired. Shame on CU [University of Colorado] for giving this con man a job.” Bradley believes Churchill opposed the law because it affected his ability to sell his paintings. Churchill attacked the 1990 Indian Arts and Crafts legislation, saying it gave rise to “witch hunts” among tribes looking for phony Indians and put undue importance on racial purity.

In things like this, I tend toward being a minimal government man. If you buy a painting, it’s something you hang on a wall. It you like it, it’s good; if not, not. If you pay a premium because of something about the artist other than talent, you’re an idiot in my book. Caveat emptor and all that. I don’t know what Churchill’s motives were, but any importance given to racial purity is too much for me. So i don’t follow Ophelia’s snark:

Oh yeah? Undue importance? Well what are you doing teaching ‘ethnic studies’ then?

Because one can teach ethnic studies without being ‘ethnic’ I’d have thought. For years universities have taught ancient Greek philosophy without employing any actual ancient Greeks.

Whatever, if there’s a market for ‘Indian’ art and you’re a painter struggling to see your daubs, help is at hand. I can make you talk like a Native American.

Boom! Tssch!

Move along now, nothing to see here.

These 172 words were hurriedly scribbled by Dave @ 1:08pm GMT

Credit to PRND21.

241 posted on 02/25/2005 1:29:59 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

Link:

http://backword.me.uk/2005/February/wardoff.html


242 posted on 02/25/2005 1:31:05 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin
Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
  Posted by Fizzie
On 02/25/2005 1:19:19 AM EST · 241 replies · 2,934+ views


News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

243 posted on 02/25/2005 1:34:13 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

Okay, I've emailed O'Reilly and all the other Fox News email addresses, Michelle Malkin, Hugh Hewitt, all the local Clear Channel radio hosts on KHOW 630am and KOA 850am here in Denver, Monica Crowley of the new Connected show on MSNBC, the CU Board of Regents, the Univ of Wisconsin Board of Regents (where Churchill is speaking next - Whitewater campus), all the media contact in Milwaukee and Madison, WI and a whole slew of bloggers. That'll help out on the investigation for sure!


244 posted on 02/25/2005 1:39:48 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Howlin
Churchill attacked the 1990 Indian Arts and Crafts legislation, saying it gave rise to “witch hunts” among tribes looking for phony Indians and put undue importance on racial purity.

Looks like he knew he was going to be exposed.

245 posted on 02/25/2005 1:41:34 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: ajolympian2004

The Denver Post


Churchill artwork mirrors artist's
By Arthur Kane
Denver Post Staff Writer


Friday, February 25, 2005 -

New questions arose Thursday about the professional history of controversial University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill when his artwork was shown to be nearly identical to that of a well-known Western artist.

Churchill once sold prints under his name that bear an uncanny resemblance to a drawing done by the late artist Thomas E. Mails, CBS4 reporter Raj Chohan reported Thursday night.

The print made by Churchill in 1981, called "Winter Attack," appears to be a mirror image of a pen-and-ink sketch in a 1972 book called "The Mystic Warriors of the Plains" by Mails.

Churchill, after first angrily refusing to talk to Chohan on camera, admitted the work was based on Mails' rendering and said he had noted that fact during the initial release of "Winter Attack."

Boulder County resident Duke Prentup, who had paid about $100 for the Churchill work, discovered the similarity while leafing through a book of Mails' work, according to the CBS4 report.

Meanwhile, how Churchill came to win accelerated tenure at CU continued to be questioned. Churchill was never formally offered a job at California State University at Northridge, although CU officials believed he had been when they shortcut the hiring process to give him a tenured position, a Cal State spokeswoman said Thursday.

Michael Pacanowsky, head of the CU communications department at the time, wrote on Jan. 10, 1991, that the process to find Churchill a job had to be accelerated because of the competing offer, but Cal State spokeswoman Carmen Chandler said the controversial professor was never officially offered a job.



"We have (records of) every formal offer, and there is no record any formal offer was made" to Churchill, Chandler said Thursday. "We also don't look at people without a Ph.D."

Pacanowsky wrote in the January 1991 letter that he was asked to appoint Churchill to the communications department after the Cal State offer.

"I was initially told we had some time to consider the matter. ... Unfortunately, Ward has been offered a full professorship at Cal State-Northridge, and we need to make our decision well before the end of January," wrote Pacanowsky, who was returning from Germany on Thursday and could not be reached for comment.

E-mails and memorandums from 1991 show that the supposed competing offer was the primary justification for swiftly promoting Churchill from a one-semester temporary teaching job he had barely started into a full-time tenured faculty slot. But the records don't say who created the belief that Cal State-Northridge was competing for Churchill's services.

A Feb. 8, 1991, memo from Evelyn Hu-DeHart, director of the Center for Studies of Ethnicity and Race in America, wrote that Churchill's job was a "special opportunity" position, which is often a job to help hire a more diverse faculty.

Administrators did not have to submit a search plan or advertise the position, she wrote, but the department decided to advertise the position and came up with three finalists, including Churchill.

Hu-DeHart, now at Brown University, refused to discuss the matter over the phone but answered some questions by e-mail this week.

She said Churchill would have had to prove he had an offer from Cal State and that he was more "senior" than a University of Arizona candidate despite never being a professor.

"'Senior' can be defined in more than one way, for example, by scholarship and number of publications," Hu-DeHart wrote via e-mail.

Cal State's Chandler said there could have been some informal talks between Churchill and the school, but any record of that may have been destroyed in the 1994 Northridge earthquake. Records of formal offers were preserved.

George Wayne, a former CU employee who at the time was an administrator at another Cal State campus, said he knows Churchill was a candidate for a job at Northridge because he was contacted by a Cal State colleague about Churchill sometime around 1991. Wayne did not remember who contacted him.

Churchill could not be reached for comment Thursday.


246 posted on 02/25/2005 1:41:38 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: ajolympian2004

You did a great job!!!


247 posted on 02/25/2005 1:41:59 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin
I think it is good to sharpen our metal on such imposters like Churchill so that we will be well prepared for that archimposter, her highness, Hitlary. She is going around New York State making people believe she is the champion of the average New Yorker. I can hardly wait for the action to begin.
248 posted on 02/25/2005 1:43:01 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: ajolympian2004

I just emailed the Denver Post and linked to eBay and this thread.


249 posted on 02/25/2005 1:44:55 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: jonrick46
I think it is good to sharpen our metal on such imposters like Churchill so that we will be well prepared for that archimposter, her highness, Hitlary.

I have been here since 1998; I have about 500 bookmarks concerning Mr. And Mrs. Clinton, just waiting to be used when she runs.

A good Freeper NEVER loses a bookmark that might come in handy later. :-)

250 posted on 02/25/2005 1:46:35 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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