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To: Howlin
I can't sleep....here is the other picture you found on ebay...

Now we need to find the original and the copyright holder. Sleuth on!

254 posted on 02/25/2005 1:59:19 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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255 posted on 02/25/2005 2:01:48 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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Ward Churchill, 1981Serigraph/ Lithograph. Artist Proof
Item number: 7302603731
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Type: Modern - Limited Edition Subject: Figures, Portraits
Signed?: Signed Style: Realism
Medium: Serigraph, Silkscreen Original/Repro: Original

 I have an original Lithograph by Professor Ward Churchill. Yes it is true folks, you may not like him or think he's a little strange. But the guy is a very good artist. Before going to Colorado University Mr. Churchill was living in Illinois. I think somewhere close to the state capitol. He claimed to have affiliation to the Council of Wounded Knee. I am not a political man so I could not tell you if it's true or not. I only know he is a good artist, and one of his works hangs in the ILL. State capitol building, or at least did. This picture measures 23"x32'' [this is only the picture area] The rag matting that goes around the picture measures appx.  30"x 381/2" It is signed and dated 1981 Artist Proof. The title is Cheyennes. It was very hard to get a good picture while it was framed. There is also a picture of the companies logo that executed the work. It is in very good condition. good luck bidding. Patrick







261 posted on 02/25/2005 2:11:10 AM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: Drango
I know I have seen this picture before...possibly in a child's Texas history textbook or some other common source like that...I almost think the girls(s)? are in separate photographs or paintings in their original context and Ward has possibly spliced the two girls into one "work"...But the person on the left definitely looks familiar to me.

It would be fairly easy to sent the cropped and enlarged grouping to a few of the many Indian historians on the web, asking them if the people look familiar, without telling them why you want to know. It might even help to see it in black and white, most likely its original form:

There are a lot of old Indian photos, but there number is finite...and there are not so many of them that someone, somewhere hasn't seen them before...in a museum, a textbook, or elsewhere.

365 posted on 02/25/2005 7:51:48 AM PST by lsee
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