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What trans-Atlantic crisis?
International Herald Tribune ^ | Thursday, February 24, 2005 | Mohammed Ayoob

Posted on 02/26/2005 12:00:53 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

U.S. & Europe, Inc.

EAST LANSING, Michigan The main purpose behind President George W. Bush's visit to Europe is said to be mending fences with European allies. Beyond the waxing and waning of rhetoric, however, the health of the alliance was never in doubt.

Alarmist analyses about the health of the trans-Atlantic alliance, so popular in the wake of the Iraq war, underestimated the ties that bind the affluent, industrialized, and powerful countries of the global North. They failed to recognize - or deliberately ignored - the common grand design that underpins the North Atlantic "Concert," the major industrialized democracies of Western Europe and North America.

The major objective of this Concert is to retain its member states' privileged position in economic and security arenas by concentrating wealth in the global North, controlling access to strategic resources, and retaining a decisive global military advantage.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: divide; europe; euvisit; geopolitics; power; resources; rift; transatlantic
I did not research this Michigan State Prof. but am willing to guess he is pro-Palestinian and did not vote for George Bush.

His tone is clearly critical about the situation as he sees it, but I can't help but agree with the premise.

If I was a citizen of a developing country I would see things this way.

Western power structures are not set up to create a global Utopia, but rather maintain the (im)balance of power.

Considering how others how (mis)used such imbalances in the past and the relative benevolence with which the West yields its power, this is a very acceptable state of affairs.

1 posted on 02/26/2005 12:00:54 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I dont buy this its pure Marxist Doctrine.


2 posted on 02/26/2005 12:10:11 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Mohammed misses the boat. The U.S. has a republican form of government...it is not a democracy. The Euroweenies are comprised of socialist states...not democracies. Given how flawed Mohammed's underlying premise is as to form of government, I'll readily discount the rest of his analysis.


3 posted on 02/26/2005 12:12:13 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Its dumber than a rock. MAN! This guy is a UBER-MARXIST.


4 posted on 02/26/2005 12:13:53 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: sanchez810

What don't you buy? Makes sense to me as policy too. Do we want the Chinese and Indians calling the shots?


5 posted on 02/26/2005 12:15:42 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If nothing will change your mind, yes you are an extremist.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

He's in over his head. Trying to get this man to explain the world is like asking a primitive man how cell phones work. You're just wasting your time. He may over a lot of words but they've no basis in reality.


6 posted on 02/26/2005 12:19:55 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I'm with you. Makes perfect sense.

One disagreement. "any differences are tactical"

The oil-for-food scandal (the reasoning behind the tension) is above that.

7 posted on 02/26/2005 12:20:04 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: sanchez810
Marxist analysis isn't dumb. Failure to understand it's importance in classical political theory is.
8 posted on 02/26/2005 12:23:24 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

First, There is no proof that this concert of the "Global North" actually exist. He creates it out of thin air and then uses it as proof that it exist, i.e. it exist because he say so. Then he goes on to explain history as product of economic relationships of Abstract Classes of Countries which is straight out of Marx. The list goes on and on.

Well now, Assume that America wants to aspire to global domination for 100 years more, an alliance with Old Europe is not the way to achieve this.


9 posted on 02/26/2005 12:27:58 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: endthematrix
Hahaha Its important in the history of political science but that does not make it SMART.
10 posted on 02/26/2005 12:29:54 AM PST by sanchez810
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Sorry, but you are just plain wrong.

The guy is talking about who controls wealth and resources. Considering that the 1 billion people in Europe and North America control about half of the world's economy, this is not speculation, but merely a statement of fact.

These nations (but really the US) has a huge lead in technology and eeven larger lead in military prowess.

We have created international organizations in which power is divided based on economic and/or military size, not population, thus ensuring that we control those organizations.

There is nothing wrong with this. But there is little value in denying that what this man purports (for the most part)corresponds to reality.

I agree with his analysis and support the status quo.


11 posted on 02/26/2005 12:36:27 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If nothing will change your mind, yes you are an extremist.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

bump!


12 posted on 02/26/2005 12:41:29 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Again, The definitions are wrong. "America" and the "Euros" don't CONTROL anything(well, maybe some European governments do), they are just governments which secure the rights of their people. And European GOVERMENTS have long been without a military to protect them. Those are just statement of fact. You're a Marxist aren't ya'.

Then "WE" haven't created anything, the U.S. government has a policy of supporting a stable world financial system which is inherently unstable. The IMF was born form the ashes of world war 2 to regulate the financial system between the European and American economies and has evolved overtime to cover other functions. Notice the Marxist flaw, that somehow we planned a system of economic warfare between classes of countries. Just ridiculous. I believe Hayek termed this "The Fatal Conceit"
13 posted on 02/26/2005 12:49:41 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: sanchez810

You are not making any sense just accusations. Or, I do not understand what you are trying to say.

When you start labelling something are "Marxist", you are just labelling without actually explaining what you mean.

If what you are trying to say is that the nations that comprise America and Europe and exercise power on behalf of the people who live in those countries, do not actually represent those people - I totally disagree, they do.

If you think that those governments do not represent those people in a manner that seeks to preserve and increase their power and wealth in relation to other peoples, you are also wrong.

So, assuming you are not trying to say the opposite of my above two statements, I am not really sure what you are trying to say. Fee free to enlighten.


14 posted on 02/26/2005 12:55:20 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If nothing will change your mind, yes you are an extremist.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Sorry, I should nt have labeled you.
15 posted on 02/26/2005 12:57:49 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Governments sometimes act abroad to preserve the capital of their people, not all of them seek to increase their power and wealth. If they do wish to do this, total control of the resources can be harmful to the effort.

If you assume the contrary then it means that history is determined by economic warfare between classes of "countries" where one class which exploit the others classes via systems they plan and create. I believe this is a wrong view of history, i.e. Marxism.
16 posted on 02/26/2005 1:13:38 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

If you assume the contrary then it must mean that history is determined by economic warfare between classes of countries, where one class exploits the others classes via systems it plans and creates.


17 posted on 02/26/2005 1:15:01 AM PST by sanchez810
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You are missing the "filter" of Germany in your arguments.

Go to his homepage.


18 posted on 02/26/2005 1:44:05 AM PST by datura (Stress is best relieved using therapeutic high explosives.)
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To: datura

LOL, That makes perfect sense he is a German!!!! Where economist count work hours as they would count beans.


19 posted on 02/26/2005 1:57:11 AM PST by sanchez810
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He/she may be German, but from the personal page this political stance could be called middle-earth, sustainability-EUer, leaning towards Peacenik. But we should remember, this stance is probably considered Right of Center or even hard-Right in the EU/UN world. OTOH, to US Conservatives this sounds more like watered down Marxism with a nice bottle of Envirope.


20 posted on 02/26/2005 3:31:11 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: iopscusa

Maybe.


21 posted on 02/26/2005 3:41:22 AM PST by sanchez810
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