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The answer is blowing in the wind (Confederate Flag)
The State ^ | Feb. 27, 2005 | JOSEPH PERSON

Posted on 02/27/2005 5:32:12 AM PST by aomagrat

The NCAA has not budged on its ban of scheduling championship events in South Carolina because of the Confederate flag controversy, but that won’t stop the Southeastern Conference from bringing its women’s basketball tournament to Greenville this week.

The 12-team, four-day tournament, which begins Thursday at the Bi-Lo Center, will be the first major college event held at a predetermined site in the state in three years. The NCAA ban does not extend to conference championships, but at least one prominent black leader is disappointed in the SEC’s decision to come to South Carolina.

Lonnie Randolph, the NAACP state president, said SEC officials showed “a gross insensitivity to the civil rights of all people.”

SEC commissioner Mike Slive said a scheduling conflict at another venue forced the conference to choose Greenville. This year’s tournament originally was to be held at Philips Arena in Atlanta. But Atlanta organizers backed out in 2003, leaving SEC officials scrambling to find another neutral site; the Bi-Lo Center was available.

Slive said SEC officials are “sensitive” to the NCAA ban, which also includes Mississippi. The Mississippi state flag features the Confederate Stars and Bars.

“I think it’s a little more complicated for a conference. South Carolina is part of our league,” Slive said. “Given the fact that we had to find an alternative site in a hurry, the fact that our student-athletes play in South Carolina regularly year in and year out, the fact that we did not have our own policy in place at that time. ... When you put all that together, that brought us to South Carolina.”

USC athletics director Mike McGee noted that USC is not a host school for the SEC women’s tournament and referred other questions to the conference.

STARRED AND BARRED

A legislative compromise in 2000 moved the flag from atop the Capitol dome to a Confederate monument on the State House grounds. The NAACP, which wants the flag brought down, organized a tourism boycott in 1999 and teamed with the Black Coaches Association in 2001 to convince the NCAA to implement a two-year moratorium, which has since been extended indefinitely.

When the Bi-Lo Center hosted first- and second-round games of the NCAA men’s basketball tournament in 2002 — a site the NCAA awarded before announcing its ban — the NAACP staged protests outside the arena. Randolph said no protests were planned this week for the women’s tournament in Greenville, adding that the interest in women’s basketball was not strong enough to make such an effort worthwhile.

Instead, Randolph will write SEC officials a letter “letting them know that they could make better choices, especially as it pertains to civil rights.”

Slive has made ethnic diversity a priority since taking over the SEC in 2002. During his tenure, the SEC has hired its first black football coach, Mississippi State’s Sylvester Croom, and first black athletics director, Georgia’s Damon Evans.

Slive sees no problem with allowing USC and the two Mississippi schools to serve as host sites in sports whose championships are awarded on a rotating basis. But this spring Slive will ask the conference’s athletics directors to consider following the NCAA’s lead and banning South Carolina and Mississippi from hosting the SEC’s neutral-site championships in football, men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, gymnastics, men’s golf and women’s soccer.

NO END IN SIGHT

The flag flap has hurt South Carolina sports fans and cost the state financially, according to industry leaders. The NCAA pulled a cross-country regional from Furman that the Southern Conference school had hosted for 21 years, and the ACC moved its 2003 baseball tournament from Fort Mill and has not returned.

The ban applies to predetermined championship sites only, which has allowed USC to play host to baseball regionals and Super Regionals.

McGee and Bi-Lo Center developer Carl Scheer were turned down after submitting bids to serve as host sites for the NCAA basketball tournament. Scheer, who owns minor-league hockey teams in Greenville and Charlotte, has tried to lobby Upstate politicians to revisit the flag issue to no avail.

“We’ve been so distraught over it,” Scheer said. “We thought we did a good job for the NCAA, and they told us we did. We wanted to come back as soon as we could with another one. Then we were told we couldn’t.

“I don’t know what’s happening, quite frankly. It certainly has hampered our opportunity to promote college basketball in South Carolina.”

Not much has changed since the NCAA extended the ban in 2003. Gail Dent, an NCAA spokeswoman, said no end date for the moratorium has been mentioned, and the issue is not slated for discussion anytime soon.

The NCAA does not figure to reverse its decision unless S.C. lawmakers vote to remove the flag or the NAACP eases up on the issue, neither of which is likely to happen anytime soon.

The flag has been a nonissue during the past several legislative sessions. And far from backing off, Randolph said the NAACP is looking to “ratchet up” the NCAA sanctions, although he declined to divulge what that might include.

“I’m not going to back down,” Randolph said. “You don’t back down off of justice and matters of what is right.”

Floyd Keith, the executive director of the BCA, said if college basketball fans in South Carolina “want to go to an NCAA Tournament, (they) are going to have to travel to get there.”

They could drive to Charlotte, which will host first- and second-round games on March 18 and 20 at the Charlotte Coliseum. That weekend will generate an economic impact of $10 million to $15 million, according to Steve Luquire, whose public-relations firm managed several NCAA Tournament regionals in Charlotte during the 1990s, including the Final Four in ’94.

While Charlotte hoops junkies revel in March Madness, the Colonial Center will host two nights of professional bull riding that weekend. Luquire said Columbia’s central location, ample hotel rooms and a 3-year-old arena would make it an attractive choice as a first- and second-round NCAA site.

That scenario might take place someday, but McGee will not be around for it: He is retiring June 30.

“This (moratorium) has not changed in quite a long period of time,” McGee said. “If the ban changes, then obviously there will be something to talk about it.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: confederateflag; dixie; naacp; ncaa
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NCAA kowtows to NAACP
1 posted on 02/27/2005 5:32:17 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: aomagrat
Randolph said no protests were planned this week for the women’s tournament in Greenville, adding that the interest in women’s basketball was not strong enough to make such an effort worthwhile.

Translation: Not an event with enough public interest to bother with making an a$$ of oneself on national TV....

2 posted on 02/27/2005 5:39:40 AM PST by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: aomagrat; skaterboy; sgent; selucreh; RebelDS; The Loan Arranger; Malichi; L98Fiero; ducks1944; ...

WHen is the NAACP going to change their name to the
National Association For the Advancement of African Ammericans
and call themselves "NAAAA" as in no to everything..


3 posted on 02/27/2005 5:40:57 AM PST by WKB (You can half the good and double the bad people say about themselves.)
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To: aomagrat

I would think the NAACP has more worthwhile issues to confront rather than a symbol of Southern pride.


4 posted on 02/27/2005 5:41:06 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: aomagrat
This is ridiculous on a number of levels. The first of which is the civil war was fought over states rights. I really don't think (my opinion here) most in the north gave a hoot about racism or slavery at that time. The north wanted to preserve the union, the south wanted to leave... it just so happened slavery was the dividing issue, it could have been taxes at some later date in history, it was pretty much bound to happen. Second point, which I feel is just as important. How can you deny the history of the South. The civil war happened! are we just trying to sweep it under the rug and hope everyone forgets?
5 posted on 02/27/2005 5:45:43 AM PST by Plant7Pugsley
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

I agree. I have black ancestors and Cherokee ancestors, and German, French, Dutch, English, Irish, etc. And I see the Confed. flag as part of history. I am not offended by it at all.


6 posted on 02/27/2005 5:46:44 AM PST by buffyt (It is important to protect people from a local crime - what about an entire nation??????)
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To: GeorgiaConservative
Just so you will know Ga doesn't have a monopoly on flag problems.
7 posted on 02/27/2005 5:48:14 AM PST by WKB (You can half the good and double the bad people say about themselves.)
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To: buffyt
I guess if I were black I would understand the offense over this flag but as a person who is a descendant of Confederate soldiers I look at it as a part of my family's history. I don't think the Confederate flag is holding any blacks back it's their leaders who continue to oppress them.
8 posted on 02/27/2005 5:53:57 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

I don't think the Confederate flag is holding any blacks back it's their leaders who continue to oppress them.



May I second that ?


9 posted on 02/27/2005 5:57:41 AM PST by WKB (You can half the good and double the bad people say about themselves.)
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To: WKB

LOL!


10 posted on 02/27/2005 6:00:17 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: WKB

Yes you may.


11 posted on 02/27/2005 6:01:44 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: aomagrat
“I’m not going to back down,” Randolph said. “You don’t back down off of justice and matters of what is right.”

Apparently the NAACP doesn't want to practice what it preaches.

To tell Southerners that they have to conform to the prejudices, and group-think, of a Northern liberal organization, and deny their own history is both "right" and "just".

Why is it that we never hear anything said about the anti-American black, green, and red flag that flies in black neighborhoods all over the country?

12 posted on 02/27/2005 6:16:20 AM PST by Noachian (We're all one judge away from tyranny.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I am getting a complex. People are always laughing at me. :>)
How are you doing?


13 posted on 02/27/2005 6:25:22 AM PST by WKB (You can half the good and double the bad people say about themselves.)
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To: WKB

I hope that South Carolina and Mississippi will stand firm and keep on chanting "The Sixties Are Over" when they get the chance. The days of giving Blacks every lollipop they want have ended. Like the Unions they have overplayed their hand and the world is tired of them.


14 posted on 02/27/2005 6:39:52 AM PST by KateatRFM
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To: KateatRFM
I think we should declare the NAALCP a terrorist organization.

Dixie Bump

Maybe South Carolina should start an interscholastic NASCAR
league, it would probably bring in more money than basketball and football combined.
15 posted on 02/27/2005 6:51:27 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: aomagrat

Next on the list: confederate memorials throughout the South. Richmond and a few other cities have already started.


16 posted on 02/27/2005 7:00:55 AM PST by Gwaihir
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To: aomagrat

White Southerners sure have taken there lumps from the NAACP. Please note I didn't say "blacks" because they don't represent all blacks.


I would think if they see the flag as a symbol of their people being slaves than they should also see Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers who owned slaves as symbols. They aren't out there wanting to tear up the declaration of Independence or blow up Mt Rushmore. Ten of our first 18 president owned slave:
George Washington; Thomas Jefferson; James Madison; James Monroe; Andrew Jackson; John Tyler; James K. Polk; Zachary Taylor; Andrew Johnson and Ulysses S. Grant.

I haven't heard a peep about tearing down monuments to them or symbols of their legacy. We still use the money with their pictures on it. They aren't balled up in the fetal position about the money..hell, they want more of it.

They see Abraham Lincoln as the one who freed the slaves but
the Emancipation Proclamation actually frees slaves only in states and regions under rebellion - it did not free slaves in any of the slaveholding states and regions that remained in the Union. In other words, Lincoln "freed" slaves everywhere he had no authority and withheld freedom everywhere he did. Earlier, in Lincoln's first Inaugural address in March of 1861, he promised slaveholders that he would support a Constitutional amendment forever protecting slavery in the states where it then existed - if only those states would remain in the Union.

So,I'm not getting all choked up about the NAACP seeing the Confederate flag as a symbol of slavery. They are only beating this drum in the South because they have so little power anywhere else.


17 posted on 02/27/2005 8:14:43 AM PST by Recall
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
As a displaced Yankee I will display my MS state flag 24/7 and am proud to show my respect to those who gave their lives for what they relieved in. The Confederate cause
Luigi
18 posted on 02/27/2005 9:09:13 AM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for!)
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To: WKB

Hey, guy! I'm fine. How's things out your way? Uncle Ernest still where he belongs?


19 posted on 02/27/2005 9:35:18 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: LuigiBasco

It's a beautiful flag and there's nothing wrong in displaying it.


20 posted on 02/27/2005 3:54:27 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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