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Are we fools led by liars? (THE EU CONSTITUTION EXPLAINED)
The Times ^ | February 28, 2005 | William Rees-Mogg

Posted on 02/27/2005 3:42:43 PM PST by MadIvan

The EU constitution makes tough reading, but its meaning - and its danger - couldn't be clearer

WHO’S GOT it right? The German Minister for Europe, Hans Martin Bury, or the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, Jack Straw? Last week Herr Bury told the Bundestag that the constitution of the European Union is more than a “milestone”, it is “the birth certificate of the United States of Europe”. Last month Mr Straw said that the constitution treaty signalled “thus far and no further on European integration”. Is the treaty a boundary marker for European integration or is it a birth certificate for “a single European state bound by one European constitution”, to use the language of the German Foreign Minister, Joschka Fischer?

One may doubt how many people have yet read the constitution. Since the early phases of drafting, I have been reading it and re-reading it. In this process I’ve kept in touch with David Heathcote-Amory, the Conservative MP for Wells, who was a member of the convention on the EU constitution. I hope everyone will read the treaty, though they may not find it much fun.

The treaty is indeed complex. If the convention had followed the example of the framers of the American Constitution, it might have produced a skeleton constitution. Unfortunately, the constitution includes quantities of material of a quite unsuitable kind, in an apparent attempt to dictate not only the structure but the long-term political objectives of the European Union.

For instance, Title 1 includes a statement of objectives which would be better suited to a party manifesto than to a constitutional document. Article 3 reads: “The Union shall work for sustainable development of Europe based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and with a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment. It shall promote scientific and technological advance.”

We have to take this seriously, but these aspirations are neither defined nor justiciable. Suppose they were brought in front of the European Court of Justice, on the complaint that the European institutions were failing to achieve these objectives.

What is “sustainable development”? How can Europe achieve “balanced economic growth”? What does “balanced” mean in that context? Is “economic growth” desirable in all circumstances? What is a “social market”? In what ways does it differ from an ordinary “market economy”? Can a “social market economy” be “highly competitive”, or will its social character be a hindrance to its competitiveness? What is the appropriate level of full employment? Is it 3 per cent unemployment, as Lord Beveridge once suggested? Is it the 10 per cent which is the current German level? What is “social progress”? Can it be measured by income differentials? Or by educational standards? Might there not be a conflict between social progress and economic growth? How does one measure the “improvement of the quality of the environment”? Indeed, what is “the quality of the environment”? How should Europe promote “scientific and technological advance”? By subsidies? How would they fit in with fair competition?

Whenever one dips into the constitution one is liable to sink into a bog of unexamined propositions. I cannot think of any document of comparable historic importance which raises so many questions or answers so few. As an American scholar has observed, the European constitution, if it were American, would raise numerous Supreme Court cases in every paragraph.

Nevertheless, the constitution does two things which do allow one to answer the question: boundary stone or birth certificate? It creates a state. Article 11: “The constitution establishes the European Union.” Article 15a: “The constitution . . . shall have primacy over the law of the member states.” Article 18: “Every national of a member state shall be a citizen of the union.”

This new state will have broad and predominant powers, with ministers to execute those powers. Article 111: “The member states shall co-ordinate their economic and employment policies within arrangements as determined by Part 3, which the union shall have competence (power) to provide . . . the union shall have competence to define and implement a common foreign and security policy, including the progressive framing of a common defence policy.”

The EU is already proceeding step by step to the establishment of this common foreign and security policy. Nato is being downgraded; a European diplomatic service is being developed; the constitution provides for a Foreign Minister. The whole European structure has been built by general aspirations backed by creeping bureaucracy. The common foreign and defence policy is likely to become a fait accompli.

I sometimes think that Britain has a Government which takes us all for fools. There may be a case for a United States of Europe. Many continental Europeans believe in that; most Germans, for instance, see a single European state as a natural development, similar to the creation of a united Germany in the 1870s. Britain, as Franz-Josef Strauss used to say, should have the status in a United Europe which Bavaria has in the Federal Republic. Bavaria, he would add, does not feel any need for a separate air force. Some Germans differ. One recently commented to me: “What is the problem for which the European Union is the solution?”

We could have a useful debate on these issues. Is it Europe’s destiny to become a superstate? Is the age of British independence at an end? Can we protect democracy and the rule of law in a fully united Europe? That would be an honest and historic debate. But it cannot be an honest debate so long as the Government pretends that the European constitution is anything other than a constitution for the United States of Europe. The Germans are telling the truth. So long as our Government takes us for fools, we have every reason to take them for liars.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: constitution; eu; euconstitution; lies
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To: MadIvan
That's true but you cant prevent him from voicing support for it. Plus, the euro skeptics could get financial support from Conservative institutions and intellectual firepower as well.
21 posted on 02/27/2005 4:12:22 PM PST by sanchez810
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To: sanchez810

Well we've already got some of that - Dick Morris is helping the UK Independence Party here. I am sure we will not be without friends come campaign time. Remember, if one country says "No", the entire house of cards comes crashing down.

Regards, Ivan


22 posted on 02/27/2005 4:13:38 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan

“What is the problem for which the European Union is the solution?”

France and Germany trying to resuscitate the USSR? Short term indigestion - long term disintigration.

And then I read your Post #20 - "destined to collapse"

So what is your point?
sp


23 posted on 02/27/2005 4:16:08 PM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: MadIvan

“The Union shall work for sustainable development of Europe based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and with a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment. It shall promote scientific and technological advance.”

This is a marketing ploy, not a constitution.

When will the Eur-inals realize that the bureaucracy of the EU is building the new U.S.S.R.?

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


24 posted on 02/27/2005 4:16:32 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: MadIvan
I recall that a Eurocrat said it depended on which country it was (Watch out Britain).
25 posted on 02/27/2005 4:16:37 PM PST by sanchez810
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To: MadIvan
This has gone far, far beyond what was intended as a trade union.

IMO, they will regret this very soon.

One would hope GB sees through this French attempt at regaining the power it has longed for.

26 posted on 02/27/2005 4:22:16 PM PST by Cold Heat (FR is still a good place to get the news and slap around an idiot from time to time.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

My post:
"France and Germany trying to resuscitate the USSR? Short term indigestion - long term disintigration"

Your post:
"When will the Eur-inals realize that the bureaucracy of the EU is building the new U.S.S.R.?"

posts separated by 5 seconds - were we separated at birth??? LOL


27 posted on 02/27/2005 4:26:13 PM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: MadIvan
It creates a state. Article 11: “The constitution establishes the European Union.” Article 15a: “The constitution . . . shall have primacy over the law of the member states.”

Why do I get the feeling that America is going to be helping the UK gain Independence in ten years?
28 posted on 02/27/2005 4:27:38 PM PST by Righty_McRight ("Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter" Proverbs 24:11)
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To: sodpoodle

Great minds think alike.


29 posted on 02/27/2005 4:30:18 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: Righty_McRight

That will be about the same time that Prince Charles assumes the monarchy.

Ahhhhhh the monarchy - that which separates the UK from the EU states. There is a joker in the deck.

Long live the King.


30 posted on 02/27/2005 4:31:25 PM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: Righty_McRight

"European Union.” Article 15a: “The constitution . . . shall have primacy over the law of the member states.”"

Goodbye Spain. I wonder if they would be allowed to rejoin the U.S. in Iraq after signing this document?

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


31 posted on 02/27/2005 4:32:18 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: MadIvan
The strength of the American constitution is in its transparency and relevance.

And they manage to screw up its interpretation anyway.

Imagine what the judiciary could do with something like the European Constitution.

32 posted on 02/27/2005 4:32:44 PM PST by Restorer
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To: MadIvan

Sounds like your garden variety Dimocrat


33 posted on 02/27/2005 4:34:41 PM PST by clamper1797 (This Vietnam Vet ain't Fonda Kerry)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Goodbye Spain. I wonder if they would be allowed to rejoin the U.S. in Iraq after signing this document?

If everyone passed it they wouldn't be able to unless the EU as a whole decided it. I think that's how it would work. The member states will sorta lose control of their military since you can't do anything that goes against the will of the EU as a whole. France may of finally conquered the Brits.
34 posted on 02/27/2005 4:37:48 PM PST by Righty_McRight ("Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter" Proverbs 24:11)
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To: Brad Cloven
"a highly competitive social market economy"

How about - a highly competitive super market economy?

35 posted on 02/27/2005 4:39:39 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: MadIvan
The British should follow the advice of Monty Python in the Holy Grail, and "Run away!, Run away!", when it comes to the European Union. It is the killer rabbit come to life, for it looks harmless enough at first glance but is really quite dangerous. The British are too intelligent to further become involved in this train wreck.
36 posted on 02/27/2005 4:44:26 PM PST by dog breath
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To: MadIvan
The Union shall work for sustainable development of Europe based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and with a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment. It shall promote scientific and technological advance.”

That won't last long.

37 posted on 02/27/2005 4:44:59 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: MadIvan

A lot of the complexity of the Constitutional Treaty is merely carried over from the two existing EU treaties.


38 posted on 02/27/2005 4:46:34 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: sodpoodle
worried about the EU as a counter-weight to the USA

Try EU, China and maybe Russia in the mix. Then you really do have something to worry about. The world won't be a better place.

39 posted on 02/27/2005 4:47:13 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: MadIvan

Good luck. I once followed a link from here (FR) that allowed the reading of the EU Constitutional draft. I forget what article is was near the end of the document, but it was essentially an 'all promises are null and void if, and when, we decide this is so' kind of clause. Not too comforting to know that whatever is said about human rights is solely conditional on the whims of the elite.


40 posted on 02/27/2005 4:49:23 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Equally offending all people equally - pursuant to the directives of the CRA of 1964)
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