Three separate plans spell out different focus for Texas roads

"A direct quote from the Governor's office, from this thread's article. Now that you've been alerted to it, please stop spreading the lie that Cintra will charge whatever it wants, without the state having to approve it."

That's EXACTLY what they promised in Canada, and I have the links to prove it. It was a lie. So the WORDS of politicians often don't reflect the realities of their actions.

I know that my postings bother you. But until I see state law changed, or the actual contract, I will continue to point this out - but I will also now include Mr. Black's "promise".

You see these clowns in Austin are a moving target. At one time they say one thing, another time they say something else. We both have more than enough out of them to support our respective positions...which should tell everyone a lot about the quality of thought behind this whole TTC plan.

Ya know, you've previously implied that I had a financial interest, and I previously gave you a lengthy rebuttal about how that is not the case, and why I support the project. But like a lot of the critics, you seem to try and recycle your innendo and smears on new threads. Some would consider that dishonest.

Or maybe you think I'm lying. You certainly have the right to go through life thinking everyone is a con artist and out to defraud you, but that doesn't enhance your credibility. The TTC hasn't changed their sales pitch (IIRC, it was on a previous thread that we argued on that I had mentioned their discussion of the royalty concept), but apparently there are some concepts and details that haven't put forth as a term of agreement until after it had been agreed upon in negotiation. That's not some nefarious conspiracy, but rather prudent practice, because you don't put something out as a fact while it is still being negotiated. Royalties were one of many concepts considered as ways of enhancing landowner compensation and addressing concerns of the concessionaire profiting without any windfall going to the landowners. And now that apparently the royalties aspect has been agreed to in negotiations, they are talking about it. BTW, as mentioned in the article, the landowner also has the option of simply taking a Fair Market Value payment. But once again, some critics just cannot comprehend the concept of 'choices', since it doesn't fit with their soundbites.

Its not the TTC that is changing their pitch to anything that sticks...

"For the 1000th time, what part of 'choice' do you have trouble comprehending? No one will force you to drive an inch of those roads."

For my 10000th time, I'm simply waiting to see either the state law that protects me (me being the state-owned roads) get passed and signed, or the contract, with Cintra, that protects me get signed and fully released.

I have seen neither, so I will continue to alert others as to Cintra's behavior in other parts of North America.

In other words, as long as MY highways are threatened, I will speak up. There are other governors around the country toying with this insanity, and people in other states, as well as Texas, need to know exactly what's in store for them unless they keep vigilant (which did not happen in Canada).

You are far too versed in the details of TTC to be just an outside observer with a casual interest in the plan. Clearly you describe the workings of TTC negotiations like an insider (at least a mid-level manager at TxDot working on this project.)

You brought up the money issue. I just said that you must have a vested interest in TTC. So what is your financial interest in TTC? :)

Clearly you describe the workings of TTC negotiations like an insider (at least a mid-level manager at TxDot working on this project.)

That's laughable. All I did was surmise that details are coming out slowly because they aren't released until they are negotiated. Simple common sense.

You are far too tinfoil minded. The only info I've gotten on the TTC is from the internet, and I went to one of the meetings and picked up their info packets, of which the maps were the only thing of real value. There is plenty of info out there, it just requires some research. Sorry to disappoint, but I have neither inside info, nor access to such. Try researching beyond activist hype that reinforces your initial opinion. You might learn something.

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