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Posted on 02/28/2005 10:31:47 AM PST by Right Wing It

“Show us proof!,” skeptics sometimes shout, suggesting by their taunt that there is no reliable evidence that supports a young Earth. From formal debates to Internet chat forums, the challenge is made to supply proof that contradicts evolution. Sadly, even many Christians now question whether there is sufficient evidence to support the biblical account of Creation. “Providing the proof” is exactly what Apologetics Press is all about. And “proof” was exactly what we found on a field expedition to southeast Tennessee on February 12, 2005. It was there that we met Dan Jones, who revealed to us a geologic anomaly that fits perfectly with the young Earth account. To use Mr. Jones’ words, it is “something you would never see or expect to see.” But it does exist, and it remains strong “proof” that cannot be explained by evolutionary geologists—by their own admission. Keep reading.

Over twenty-five years ago, Dan Jones was trout fishing in the Tellico River. It was there he stumbled across something that still leaves geologists scratching their heads. He stated: “I just walked up on a sandbar and it was laying there with water slapping up on it” (as quoted in Simms, 2004). What did Dan Jones find? It was a simple fishing reel—partially embedded in rock (known as phyllite) believed to be about 300 million years old (according to evolution-based dating systems). Realizing that few would ever believe him, Jones decided to take the rock as proof of what he had discovered. In our interview with him, he recalled that he had been fishing with a friend, but the friend had already left the scene. Mr. Jones remarked: “I was walking in the river and came up on a sandbar, and there it lay” (Jones, 2005). Lest someone think that this anomaly is simply a reel that is “lightly stuck” to an underlying rock, consider the fact that Jones frequently carries it around by holding the reel as if it were a handle (see image). In fact, he demonstrated this in our presence, showing just how embedded in the rock the reel actually was.

Consider, too, the fact that the members of geology department from the University of Tennessee, Chattanooga (UTC) scrutinized the rock, and they were completely unable to explain it. They eliminated the possibility of the rock being fake (as in some type of concrete) by applying an acid test to investigate its composition. But that’s where science stopped and speculation began. Some were convinced that the reel “wore its way” into the rock. Another professor noted: “Perhaps some bizarre phenomenon caused by water flow rapidly passing by caused it to abrade its way into the rock” (as quoted in Simms, 2003). Another geologist suggested that maybe it was caused by some type of chemical reaction. However, speculation stopped when the chairman of the geology department arrived on the scene. Richard Simms, in an article he wrote for the Chattanooga Times Free Press (“The Reel in the Rock: Even UTC Geology Experts Can’t Explain Rare Find”), observed:

Then the head geology guru showed up. Department chairman Dr. Habte Churnet at first seemed somewhat indifferent to the reel in the rock, until his cohorts encouraged a closer look. “Where did you get this?” he exclaimed. The fisherman recited his Tellico story for the 10th time that day as Churnet examined the curiosity. It took minutes before the top geologist arrived at a conclusion that brought chuckles around the room. With great authority he declared, “I am the chairman of the department, and I say this does not exist. It’s a figment of our imagination” (Simms, 2004). When we asked Mr. Jones if he thought the department chairman stood by his statement, he replied: “Yeah, I think he did. They could not explain it” (Jones, 2005).

For those who would evaluate such evidence with an open mind, here are the facts. It was 1897 when William Shakespeare Jr. patented the first fishing reel. That, by definition, would limit the age of this reel to roughly 100 years. Yet this rock, which weighs close to 20 pounds, is considered by evolutionary timescales to be roughly 300 million years old. Ann Holmes, of the geology department at the University of Tennessee, Chattanooga, stated: “It’s called phyllite. It’s a metamorphic rock from the Appalachians, the Brevard Zone that was formed probably when Africa and America collided about 300 million years ago” (as quoted in Simms, 2003). Mr. Jones recalled that the geologists appeared very familiar with this type of rock, and he remembered being told that the rock came from the period when the continents divided. He said they informed him that the only two places where this type of rock is found is in the Appalachians and Africa. The obvious question then is: What is a 300 million-year-old rock—which is supposed to have broken off when America separated from Africa—doing in the Tellico River with a fishing reel embedded in it?

Does this “proof” fit evolutionary theory? Hardly! You cannot embed a 100-year-old fishing reel inside of a 300-million-year-old rock. But does the evidence fit with a young Earth timeline? Definitely. We contend that the rock is not 300 million years old, as evolutionists purport. Instead, it formed recently, allowing a 100-year-old fishing reel to become embedded during the process. Like it or not, this “proof” does exist, as we can attest. We have seen it with our own eyes. We have talked personally to the man who found it. And he has challenged evolutionary geologists to refute it. But they cannot.

The problem is, in cases like this in which the data do not fit evolutionary theory, it is always the data that end up being thrown out, not the seemingly sacrosanct theory. The “reel in the rock” does not fit with what evolutionists would expect, so they resort to off-the-cuff comments like, “I am the chairman of the department, and I say this does not exist; it’s a figment of our imagination,” and then toss out the data—rather than the now-falsified theory. Evolutionists will approach this piece of scientific evidence with one of two options. They will ignore it and hope it goes away, or try to discredit it in an effort to bolster their old-age timelines. (Bear in mind that any efforts to discredit this piece of evidence will invariably call into question the legitimacy of the knowledge base of the entire geology department at UTC, whose members personally examined this unusual artifact.)

Skeptics ask for proof. Well, this certainly qualifies as proof. Question is: Will the skeptics accept the “proof” provided by this amazing piece of scientific evidence? If not, why not?

REFERENCES Jones, Dan (2005), Personal Interview, conducted February 12.

Simms, Richard (2003), “The Reel in the Rock: Even UTC Geology Experts Can’t Explain Rare Find,” Chattanooga Times Free Press, October 2, Thursday.

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1 posted on 02/28/2005 10:31:48 AM PST by Right Wing It
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To: Right Wing It

There are pictures on the website

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2 posted on 02/28/2005 10:32:14 AM PST by Right Wing It (www.conservativetruths.blogspot.com)
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To: Right Wing It

Explain radioactive fission product dating.


3 posted on 02/28/2005 10:37:58 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: PatrickHenry

FYI Ping


5 posted on 02/28/2005 10:53:21 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Right Wing It

"Will the skeptics accept the “proof” provided by this amazing piece of scientific evidence? "


Given the young earth creationist stance of ignoring and refuting all geological evolutionary evidence, I see no reason for evolutionaries to accept this "proof".


6 posted on 02/28/2005 10:56:06 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: nuke rocketeer
Explain radioactive fission product dating.

Huh? What does that have to do with a fishing reel stuck in a "300 million year old" rock? Maybe you need to start a new thread?

7 posted on 02/28/2005 10:59:02 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Right Wing It

I hope you realize that by posting, as "proof" of the Biblical account of creation, an article with a picture of a fishing reel obviously hammered into slits in a rock, with some holes drilled for the rods of the frame, you have done far more damage to your cause than a hundred evolutionary geologists. This is pure fakery. The slits are precision formed, probably with a high-pressure water/sand cutter, the kind used to cut patterns through steel plate. The rock does not form around the reel in a way that it would if the reel had been buried in sediment.


8 posted on 02/28/2005 11:06:15 AM PST by aQ_code_initiate
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To: Blzbba
Given the young earth creationist stance of ignoring and refuting all geological evolutionary evidence, I see no reason for evolutionaries to accept this "proof".

LOL So THAT'S the evolutionist's answer? This is absolute proof that the evolutionists method of dating is extremely flawed, and you wonder why creationists don't take their guesses as gospel? Wonder no more.

9 posted on 02/28/2005 11:06:39 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Right Wing It

That is really interesting. Thanks for posting.


10 posted on 02/28/2005 11:07:05 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: aQ_code_initiate

ROFL. Getting nervous are we? So you can tell that it's a fake from a picture, yet the the members of geology department from the University of Tennessee, including the department head with a doctorate degree couldn't, even though they had physical possession of the "rock and reel". Wow, you must be good!


11 posted on 02/28/2005 11:11:12 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Right Wing It

It is "embedded" in a metamorphic rock, that is, a rock which has changed form due to physical processes, usually heat and/or pressure. The process would have destroyed the reel or any similar man-made object.


12 posted on 02/28/2005 11:12:35 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: GLDNGUN

"This is absolute proof that the evolutionists method of dating is extremely flawed, and you wonder why creationists don't take their guesses as gospel? Wonder no more."


I wonder no more, believe me. Trying to convince a creationoid of the myriad errors in such Biblical accounts as Noah's Ark (for example) is entertaining, sure, but clearly a waste of time, as most creationoids are simply afraid of the truth.


My response that you posted to was in jest - should've put /sarcasm tags - sorry.


13 posted on 02/28/2005 11:13:32 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: aQ_code_initiate

Wow - having actually clicked on the link and looked at the picture, you're right- that's a bad fake.


14 posted on 02/28/2005 11:16:52 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Right Wing It

Too bad Arthur wasn't a fisherman...


15 posted on 02/28/2005 11:18:29 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: GLDNGUN

"ROFL. Getting nervous are we? So you can tell that it's a fake from a picture, yet the the members of geology department from the University of Tennessee, including the department head with a doctorate degree couldn't, even though they had physical possession of the "rock and reel". Wow, you must be good!"

Or so this group claims. There have been lies in the past from creationist organizations. I'd like to see this specimen myself, and I'd like to see it examined closely by true experts and have the report come from some source other than a creationist organization.

Am I a geologist? Nope, but I've seen some odd things in rocks, and they always have had an explanation. It's amazing what a flowing river can do.


16 posted on 02/28/2005 11:23:39 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: GLDNGUN

"So you can tell that it's a fake from a picture, yet the the members of geology department from the University of Tennessee, including the department head with a doctorate degree "


A. That's the University of Tennessee - Chattanooga, hardly a bastion of higher-learning, although a fine school nonetheless.


B. Aren't these professors the same liberal, left-leaning, commie whiners that are usually complained about on this forum?


C. Why haven't the steel parts rusted away on this fake, like all other steel exposed to the elements for 75+ years on earth have done? Is this some sort of magic, rust-proof steel?


D. I have the most trouble believing that anyone living in eastern Tennessee 100+ years ago would've owned a Yankee-made Shakespeare reel.


17 posted on 02/28/2005 11:23:47 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Right Wing It

Big deal. So a time traveller lost his fishing reel 300 million years ago...

Wonder what he was fishing for? I don't think the fishing was very good back them...


18 posted on 02/28/2005 11:31:51 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: GLDNGUN

The counting of radioactive decay products in primordial rocks..granites, basalts, etc is a prime method of dating the age. It is based upon solid nuclear theory. Even if the assumptions in this method are off 50%, that still leaves a world 2 billion +years old.


19 posted on 02/28/2005 11:32:20 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: GLDNGUN
You may enjoy readin this..

Is the earth is really 4.5 billion years old?

The scientific evidence points to a resounding NO.

Geochronolgy scientists are aware of 70 different methods that can give us ideas of the earth’s age. These geological clocks are based on the obvious reality that natural processes occurring steadily throughout time produce cumulative and often measurable results. Although there is some speculation in all of these dating methods, they all do show evidence of a young earth.

For example, NASA experts expected that the moon, like the earth, was approximately 4.5 billion years old. They were expecting 54 feet of dust on the moon, so they built all their equipment with this in mind. They did not want their capsule to sink in the dust, so they built tall legs upon it. However, the astronauts found only an inch to three inches. This small amount of dust showed that the moon must be less than 10,000 years old.

Comets are literally blown apart by powerful solar winds every time they circle the sun. By measuring the observable rate of comet disintegration, we have found out that all short-period comets would be gone in as little as 10,000 years. There are up to five million comets still orbiting in our solar system, and they all have to be less than 10,000 years old. To explain this phenomena, evolutionists have to speculate that there is a nest of comets somewhere in the universe, but they have never seen it and there is no proof of it. This is bad science!

All oil and coal beds were caused by the catastrophic effects of the flood. Coal and oil are simply squashed plant and animal life. All oil pressure in rocks usually dissipates after 5000 years.

Scientists have calculated that all the continents of the Earth will be worn down to sea level by erosion in about 14 million years. The soil that does sustain life lies in a thin layer of an average depth of seven or eight inches over the face of the land. The earth beneath it is as dead and sterile as the moon. This thin film is all that stands between man and extinction. Scientists estimate that the combination of plant growth, bacterial decay, and erosion produces about six inches of top soil in 5,000 to 20,000 years.

At the present rate, the entire Mississippi River delta would have accumulated in only 5000 years. Geologists have recognized that it has taken 5000 years for the rim of Niagara Falls to erode from its original precipice. Scientists also have estimated the calcium carbonate remains of marine creatures in the warm oceans of our world could be accounted for entirely in the last few thousand years.

Evolutionists used to teach that it took thousands of years for stalactites to form, until stalactites under the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. were found to have grown to five feet in less than five years. How old are the oldest living plants alive today? The bristle cone pine trees in the White Mountains bordering California and Nevada that have been growing for about 5000 years.

The present population of the world at a 2% annual growth rate could easily be developed from a single family averaging 3.6 children in just 4,000 years. The population of the earth, at a 2% annual growth rate, from a single family averaging 3.6 children, would be at least 3,000 billion in one million years of history, which is enough to have at least a couple of dozen graves for every acre of earth. However, ancient bones are extremely rare.

Helium is steadily gathering in the outer reaches of our atmosphere and the experts insists that the accumulation cannot be over 10,000-15,00 years old. The moon’s distance from the earth is constantly increasing approximately two inches per year, which means the earth and moon would have been touching only two billion years ago. The sun’s diameter shrinks every hour by about five feet, which means that the earth would have been touching the sun 20 million years ago and it would have been too hot for life to even exist one million years ago.

Astronomers have seen the violent destruction of some stars, but they have never seen a star being born or evolve into a more complex structure. Yet they claim it happens and call this science. However, Astronomer Harold Slusher reports that a star cluster of four stars in the “trapezium” in the Orion nebula are moving away from each other from a common point at a very high speed. It appears the stars originated from a common point about 10,000 years ago.

No astronomer believes that stars originated before clusters itself. Hot and cool stars are often found in clusters together, and the cool stars should have been dead for a million years, yet they are present with young ones. Hot stars radiate 100,000 times faster than the sun, and the spiraling effect pulls things in all the faster, but many of them still have huge dust clouds surrounding them.

Excerpt from: http://maxpages.com/biblegems/Image_of_Monkeys

20 posted on 02/28/2005 11:36:43 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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