Posted on 02/28/2005 1:28:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
Of course evangelicals enjoy movies for entertainment purposes, but we're not (and I can only speak for those who are faithful to the Bible) going to "enjoy" a movie that is making a theological statement that runs counter to the very beliefs that make us evangelicals. Maybe there will be some kind of "novelty" entertainment value for many who reject the authenticity of Fatima but true Evangelicals are not going to support a film that is pure, unadulterated Romanism rather than a film that appeals to the broader spectrum of Christianity that we can all agree on.
POTC was different because we could come together around a film about the "passion" of the Christ. We agree on the historicity of the events although we differ on their interpretation. POTC didn't "force" us to accept one interpretation over another. Fatima is different because evangelicals don't accept it as a historical event, or if we do, we don't accept it as a true witness to the gospel of Christ and the word of God.
This will be a denominational film, nothing more. I'm certainly not arguing against Mel's right to make it. I'm just being realistic about the divisions between Protestantism and Romanism on issues like Fatima as well as a plethora of doctrinal differences. We really are diametrically opposed on many essential fronts (rather than non-essentials where unity is not required).
"I do not think portraying Mary as having supernatural powers, or part of the Passion had anything to do with the Bible."
I understand your objections but both of these events would be open to the interpretation of the viewer (actually I can't think of any scene where Mary is portrayed as having "supernatural powers", but one could make the case that Mary is symbolically portrayed as participating in the atonement). Nothing is overt and most non-Catholics would not take that away from the film.
"How about Faith Healing? How about Name it and Claim it? Protestants have their own mystical faith traditions."
Those are not genuine Protestants, but aberrations and heresies just as Rome has their own subversives that are not representative of the Church's teaching. Besides, many within the charismatic extremes (and I am a Classical Pentecostal and am not throwing stones) of evangelicalism receive tacit support and encouragement from Rome.
Rumours are circulating, and despite official denials do appear to be founded on fact, that Gibson based his movie on a book by an ecstatic mystic nun called Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 - 1824). This lady was a visionary and stigmatic (which means the marks of the crucifixion physically appeared on her body). In a review for the book we read:
Sister Emmerich's account of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ, while faithful to the Bible, is heart-rending, edifying and surprising-because of its intimate detail. Based on the visions of this great mystic, The Dolorous Passion recounts in incredible detail the horrendous sufferings undergone by our Saviour in His (it would seem) superhumanly heroic act of Redemption. Illuminating in its description of Mary's participation in the sufferings of her Son, this book gives the reader a poignant understanding of why Our Lady is sometimes called our "Co-Redemptrix." The Dolorous Passion is a singular book that conveys a lasting impression of the terrible agony of Our Lord's sufferings for us. Here is a book that will melt a heart of stone!
Preceding The Dolorous Passion in this edition is a short life of the remarkable Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 - 1824), a mystic, stigmatist and visionary. Toward the end of her life, she bore the wounds of Christ, ate no food save Communion, and was in ecstasy a great deal of the time. It was during these ecstasies that she witnessed in vision the details of Our Lord's life which are recorded in this book.
That's the deepest thought I have encountered on FR about the theological implications of the atonement in 5 years. /sarcasm off
John of the Cross? Teresa of Avila?
Are you a Tozer enthusiast?
I apologize if I misinterpreted the motive of the question.
"I apologize if I misinterpreted the motive of the question."
Especially considering that questions generally don't have motives. Doht!
Re-phrase: "the motive behind the question."
'Bout as "accurate" as Nostradamus for that matter.
Does a genuine vision that is supernatural in origin automatically make it divine in origin or is there some objective criteria by which we may rightly judge (discern) experiences?
The baptism? You mean Jesus' baptism? That's in the Bible.
Faith healing? Surely you have read what Jesus said: "I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." (Matthew 17:20 NIV)
Name it and claim it? I have no idea what that is.
And believe me, I don't doubt Protestants somewhere have "mystical faith traditions" as well. But if it can't be backed up biblically, of course it should be rejected: "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1 NIV)
"O yes Justification through faith, this is a bit of inspiration most people accept today, it really should be placed in the Holly books the Bible with other works of inspiration but it never will."
Huh? Are you saying Luther's treatise should be canonized?
I will have to look it up sometime, thanks.
Thank you for trying to explain. For the record, I did not call anyone a liar. I'm curious about *why* you believe what you believe and meant no offense.
Mary isn't depicted as seeing Satan when no one else can?
Agree (to your post number 98).
Maybe in your Bible...not mine.
Satan can appear as an Angel of light.
Huh? Are you saying Luther's treatise should be canonized?
Yes, for the frist 4000 years there were 66 books written this wdould give us an addional book each 62 years, sence A.D. 100 there have been no new books added. So yes I believe there have been inspiration sence A.D. 100 but someone is keeping a lid on it and will not allow it to be
cannonized.
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