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Study Finds Disproportionate Percentage of Illinois Foster Child Abuse is Same Sex
The Illinois Leader ^ | March 01, 2005 | Cal Skinner

Posted on 03/02/2005 8:15:06 AM PST by DBeers

Study Finds Disproportionate Percentage of Illinois Foster Child Abuse is Same Sex

CHICAGO - Every year, 1% of Illinois foster and subsidized-adoption children are molested and 3% are physically abused, according to an article published in the peer-reviewed publication, Psychological Reports.

More startling, perhaps, is that--over a six-year period--34% of the sexual molestations of these Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS)-placed girls and boys were homosexual in nature, committed by the persons approved as parents by DCFS.

In 2004, DCFS Spokesman Marjorie Newman told IllinoisLeader.com that DCFS does not "discriminate based on gender, race, sexual orientation, sexual preference. There is no law that says that a gay or lesbian person cannot adopt."

The March issue of Psychological Reports published 1997-2002 data analyzed by Dr. Paul Cameron, chairman of the Colorado-based Family Research Institute, a pro-family organization.

“It is likely that these rates apply to the nation’s estimated half million foster children,” he said. “What’s shocking, is that 34% of the molestations were homosexual.”

The DCFS information shows that 69% of sexual abuse by mothers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive daughters. In contrast, 14% of the sexual abuse by fathers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive sons.

“These new Illinois findings also suggest that a child’s risk of being molested is considerably higher when their parent engages in homosexuality,” according to Cameron.

According to the study, “Estimates of the proportion of adults who have engaged in homosexual sex in the past 12 months vary. The 1996 National Household Survey of Drug Abuse/CDC study estimated that 1.2% of those aged 18 to 59 reported sex with a member of their sex [no age specified] in the past 12 months, other estimates put the number at around 2-3%.”

Based on responses to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests filed by IllinoisLeader.com last year, the information provided by DCFS seems to indicate that most sexual abuse of children was by foster fathers, but that foster mothers were responsible for over three-fourths of physical abuse.

Cameron's point is not that heterosexual abuse of children does not occur in the foster care setting but rather that homosexual abuse is disproportionate to their percentage in the general population.

“Professional societies are so taken with gay rights they are ignoring the evidence," said Cameron. "Just last year, the American Psychological Association (APA) declared opposition to ‘discrimination against lesbian or gay parents adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care and reproductive health services.'"

Cameron added, “How does the APA answer this new evidence?"

According to Cameron, Illinois was the first state to disclose these details about the abuse of its foster and adoptive children.

Every year, Illinois has about 60,000 children in 4,300 foster or adoption-subsidized homes.

For the 6-year period, after DCFS investigation, 966 parents were determined to have violated their charges. Of foster parents who engaged in both physical and sexual abuse, 8 of the 15 abused children of their sex.

According to a DCFS spokesman, the agency does not track the sexual orientation of prospective foster or adoptive parents. "We track our foster and adoptive parents on the basis of their being single or married. That’s it."

DCFS declined to speculate as to whether this information would lead the agency to reconsider its policies and procedures.



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“How does the APA answer this new evidence?"

Yes -how does the pro-homosexual APA answer this?

1 posted on 03/02/2005 8:15:06 AM PST by DBeers
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

ping.


2 posted on 03/02/2005 8:16:34 AM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers
WOW! That's an eye opener! The article doesn't say what criminal charges are brought against these pedophiles. How many are put in Jail? How many are put on pedophile registration lists?
3 posted on 03/02/2005 8:26:19 AM PST by Patti_ORiley
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To: DBeers
The DCFS information shows that 69% of sexual abuse by mothers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive daughters. In contrast, 14% of the sexual abuse by fathers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive sons.

These numbers (along with all the others) are a little puzzling. Are they saying that all these same-sex abusers were identified as homosexual before the children were placed with them? And what about the 31% of women abusers who sexually abused boys ... ordinary pedophiles, or male-hating lesbians? And the 86% of male abusers who abused girls?

It sounds to me like the agencies need to completely revamp their screening and monitoring procedures. Homosexuality is only a little piece of the problem.

4 posted on 03/02/2005 8:31:05 AM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: DBeers

Hmmmmmm. 2% of the population commits 34% of the child-sexual abuse. That's disproportionate.


5 posted on 03/02/2005 8:31:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: DBeers; scripter; little jeremiah; SweetCaroline; lentulusgracchus; ArGee; Lindykim; ...
BTTT


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

6 posted on 03/02/2005 8:35:42 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: DBeers

“These new Illinois findings also suggest that a child’s risk of being molested is considerably higher when their parent engages in homosexuality,” according to Cameron."

It sounds like the above statement implies that the parents were homosexual, but didn't come right out and say the children were placed knowingly with homosexual couples. What are the rules in Illinois?

I'd like to see the results based on whether the child was placed with straight or homosexual foster parents. Where the children put in danger for the sake of political correctness?


7 posted on 03/02/2005 8:39:26 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: ClearCase_guy

WHY WOULD ANY ONE BE SURPRISED AT SUCH A FINDING ???
Homos are like roaches under the rug and behind the cabinets. It is time to find out the very ugly truth about how "NOT SO TIMID AND NICE" these people are. Other studies show that there is also a disproportionate number of homos involved in child rape/murder, but the media is protecting the homo movement in this country by not reporting these incidents to the unsuspecting public. The news media is complicit in all theses atrocities by covering them up.


8 posted on 03/02/2005 8:39:59 AM PST by clearsight
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To: ClearCase_guy

Very disturbing. My wife and I were involved in fostering (not in IL), and I noted the high proportion of single adopters who took same-sex children and appeared likely to be queer.


9 posted on 03/02/2005 8:41:20 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Tax-chick
Are they saying that all these same-sex abusers were identified as homosexual before the children were placed with them?

I don't know the specific answer to this; however, would suggest the sexual act itself defines a homosexual -an active homosexual is actively engaging in homosexual activities.

In my opinion, homosexuality is defined by the 'same-sex' activity and I find it odd that homosexual activists suggest that those that sexually abuse or rape children of the same sex are not 'true' homosexuals? The term bisexual or child abuser is used in many cases to deflect the obvious homosexual reality.

In my opinion -even if one is just a recreational homosexual they suffer from the homosexual disorder...

10 posted on 03/02/2005 8:44:25 AM PST by DBeers
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To: FR_addict

It sounds like the above statement implies that the parents were homosexual, but didn't come right out and say the children were placed knowingly with homosexual couples. What are the rules in Illinois?


From the article:

According to a DCFS spokesman, the agency does not track the sexual orientation of prospective foster or adoptive parents. "We track our foster and adoptive parents on the basis of their being single or married. That’s it."


11 posted on 03/02/2005 8:44:50 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: DBeers; Patti_ORiley; Tax-chick; ClearCase_guy; EdReform; FR_addict; clearsight; expatpat

What evidence? That in a foster care system with huge numbers of single foster parents, and where most foster children placed with a single parent are placed with one of the same sex, 34% of molestation cases are homosexual? Duh! 100% of molestation cases in the Boy Scouts are homosexual, but by the same logic, this has nothing to do with the fact that all troop leaders and all scouts are male.

Just imagine the outcry if this foster care system was placing young girls with single fathers. Everyone would be appalled, because statistically the propensity for male-on-female molestation is huge. And given the recent rash of female teachers antics involving male students (not to mention the well-documented need of boys for a father figure), putting adolescent or teenage boys with single mothers wouldn't be such a hot idea either.

Funny how the people claiming this is evidence of homosexuals' disproportionate propensity to molest children, don't care to provide any statistics about what percentage of the homes in the overall sample involved a single parent with only same sex foster children.


12 posted on 03/02/2005 8:46:54 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: DBeers
In 2004, DCFS Spokesman Marjorie Newman told IllinoisLeader.com that DCFS does not "discriminate based on gender, race, sexual orientation, sexual preference. There is no law that says that a gay or lesbian person cannot adopt."

“These new Illinois findings also suggest that a child’s risk of being molested is considerably higher when their parent engages in homosexuality,” according to Cameron.

The people making these rules and applying them are just as guilty as those who are physically perpetrating these acts upon these children.

May God judge them equally for surrendering these defenseless ones into the awaiting arms of preditors.

13 posted on 03/02/2005 8:48:37 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: DBeers
I don't know the specific answer to this; however, would suggest the sexual act itself defines a homosexual -an active homosexual is actively engaging in homosexual activities.

I agree with you. I was just wondering whether the agencies were deliberately placing children with known homosexuals. I speculate, from the information in the post after yours, that they *know*, but don't have a formal record.

14 posted on 03/02/2005 8:49:15 AM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
What evidence?

Read my post #10 -do you suggest there is some better method to detetrmine who sufferes from the homosexual disorder than identification by homosexual act?

15 posted on 03/02/2005 8:57:21 AM PST by DBeers
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To: GovernmentShrinker; DBeers; Tax-chick; ClearCase_guy; EdReform; FR_addict; clearsight; expatpat

Given the PC doctrine entrenched in both social service and new media organizations vis-a-vis gays in society in general -- My question is how many of these pedophiles are jailed and/or placed on community pedophile notification lists?

I'm inclined to believe that both aforementioned organizations would sacrifice the child rather than anger the PC mullahs.


16 posted on 03/02/2005 9:07:54 AM PST by Patti_ORiley
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

If you want on/off the ping list see my profile page.

17 posted on 03/02/2005 9:15:17 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: Patti_ORiley
I'm inclined to believe that both aforementioned organizations would sacrifice the child rather than anger the PC mullahs.

I'm inclined to believe that, too.

18 posted on 03/02/2005 9:26:17 AM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: clearsight

Doesn't suprise me one bit!! I just wonder how the homosexual community will spin this!


19 posted on 03/02/2005 9:27:04 AM PST by Halls
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To: EdReform
These new Illinois findings also suggest that a child’s risk of being molested is considerably higher when their parent engages in homosexuality,” according to Cameron.

DUH?????....no surprise here!!!!!

20 posted on 03/02/2005 9:31:44 AM PST by SweetCaroline (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me...Philippians 4:13)
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To: DBeers

Yes I can see now where gay adoption has no worries involved. "Nothing to see here, move along now"


A-holes


21 posted on 03/02/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by trubluolyguy ("You think that's tough, try losing a testicle in a knife fight with your mother")
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To: DBeers

A scarlet "H" on the forhead?

Sorry, not funny.


22 posted on 03/02/2005 9:36:21 AM PST by trubluolyguy ("You think that's tough, try losing a testicle in a knife fight with your mother")
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To: trubluolyguy

This is merely one form of homosexual 'reproductive rights' ... when science figures out how to implant an embryo successfully in the abdomen of a homosexual male, the adoption process will grind to a halt as passe. [HINT: homosexuality is a mental degeneracy, but the liberal societal engineers love to defend it; ever wonder why?]


23 posted on 03/02/2005 9:39:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: DBeers
The term bisexual or child abuser is used in many cases to deflect the obvious homosexual reality.

Yeah, the "pedophile priests" were mostly homosexual, not pedophile.

24 posted on 03/02/2005 9:42:30 AM PST by expatpat
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To: MHGinTN
homosexuality is a mental degeneracy

IMO, it's a fetish, like a foot fetish or a panty fetish. But it's not only very ugly, but also much more dangerous, because (a) it spreads fatal diseases, (b) it is self-propagating (no panties are running around trying to get impressionable minors to 'play' with them).

25 posted on 03/02/2005 9:46:36 AM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat

There is another word than 'pedophile' to identify homosexuals attracted to young teens. Do you happen to know that word ... my memory is failing [Sicko Jacko is that type].


26 posted on 03/02/2005 9:51:00 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: trubluolyguy
A-holes

Watch your language! Remember the topic here - you don't want to get them all hot and bothered do you? :^)

27 posted on 03/02/2005 9:53:55 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: MHGinTN

Ephebophile.


28 posted on 03/02/2005 9:58:01 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: DBeers

I'll take, "Stories that will never make the World News Tonight because it doesn't show homosexuality in a good light," for $1,000 Alex.


29 posted on 03/02/2005 9:59:27 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: DBeers
Nobody is saying all homosexuals commit child abuse, but the numbers are definitely disproportionate.

Homosexuality and child abuse

2004

Federal Panel Ignores Sex Abuse (The New American), FreeRepublic
Child sex offenders becoming bigger and bigger problem (ABC Local), FreeRepublic
Foster father pleads guilty to child rape, victims sue state (Seattle Post Intelligencer - N/A)
Phoenix Police Arrest Two Men in Child Porn Case (KPHO), FreeRepublic
Gay priests cited in abuse of boys (Washington Times - N/A)

2003

Myth and Reality about Homosexuality: Child Abuse (FreeRepublic)
Men Charged with Sex Assault of Boy (KCTV 5), FreeRepublic
An Outrage, Pure and Simple! (WorldNetDaily), FreeRepublic
Former Boy Scout Leader Arrested - Homosexual Child Molestations Continue (Traditional Values), FreeRepublic
Child Molestation and Homosexuality (Family Research Institute)
Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children (Family Research Institute), FreeRepublic

2002

Study shows link between homosexuality and pedophilia (The Interim), FreeRepublic
A REAL Child Abuse Scandal (Family Research Institute)
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse (Family Research Council), FreeRepublic
Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement (Regent)
Gay Foster Parents More Apt to Molest (Family Research Institute)

2001

ACLU asks federal judge to dismiss case against man-boy sex group (First Amendment Center), FreeRepublic

1999

Homosexuality and child molestation: the link, the likelihood, the lasting effects (American Family Association)

30 posted on 03/02/2005 10:10:02 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: DBeers
Yes -how does the pro-homosexual APA answer this?

The 34% mirrors the Freund, Watson 1992 study.

31 posted on 03/02/2005 10:13:06 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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What’s shocking, is that 34% of the molestations were homosexual.”

The DCFS information shows that 69% of sexual abuse by mothers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive daughters. In contrast, 14% of the sexual abuse by fathers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive sons.

These figures lead to some interesting conclusions:

F = # of acts of sexual abuse committed by fathers.

M = # of acts of sexual abuse committed by mothers.

H = # of acts of sexual abuse that are homosexual = .0.14 F + 0.69 M

T = total number of acts of sexual abuse = M + F

h = fraction of acts of abuse that are homosexual = 0.34 = H/T = (0.14 F + 0.69M)/(M + F)

=> F = 1.75 M

So men commit 75% more total acts of sexual abuse against the foster kids than women, but what about the homosexual acts of abuse?

f = fraction of acts of sexual abuse that are homosexual in nature and committed by fathers = 0.14 F / h

= (0.14 x 1.75 M)/(0.14 x 1.75 M + 0.69 M)

= 0.245 M / 0.935 M

= 0.26

m = fraction of acts of sexual abuse that are homosexual in nature and committed by mothers = 1 - f = 0.74

=> Mothers commit 2.84 times as many homosexual acts of abuse (0.74/0.26) as fathers.

In other words either there are a huge number of abusive lesbian foster mothers, or the figures quoted in the article are wrong.

32 posted on 03/02/2005 10:13:44 AM PST by wideminded
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Thank you GS.


33 posted on 03/02/2005 10:14:52 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Ephebophile.

Interesting -never heard that term before.

34 posted on 03/02/2005 10:24:57 AM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers
"The DCFS information shows that 69% of sexual abuse by mothers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive daughters. In contrast, 14% of the sexual abuse by fathers was of their foster or subsidized-adoptive sons.

“These new Illinois findings also suggest that a child’s risk of being molested is considerably higher when their parent engages in homosexuality,” according to Cameron."


Actually it shows that the child's risk of being molested is considerably higher if the child is female. Perhaps girls should be placed in orphanages where there are not so many adults around to molest them?
35 posted on 03/02/2005 10:24:58 AM PST by monday
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To: wideminded
In other words either there are a huge number of abusive lesbian foster mothers, or the figures quoted in the article are wrong.

I remember some supposed research from way back that suggested overall that women tended to 'abuse' children more than men did -however, the disproportinate numbers could supposedly be due to women (mothers) being the primary care givers with more contact time with the children (eg. stay at home moms)...

36 posted on 03/02/2005 10:31:03 AM PST by DBeers
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To: FR_addict
"What are the rules in Illinois?"

The article indicates that IL does not consider "sexual orientation" in determining whether a child can be placed in a home or not.

I'm sure the question is not asked of applicants, but because of circumstances (and because, these days, homosexuals seem particularly prone to announcing to the world that they are 'gay'), it is not at all unlikely that the caseworkers knew these 'couples' were homosexuals.

37 posted on 03/02/2005 10:41:21 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; DBeers
Ephebophile

Is still recognized by the APA and AMA as a pedophilia. The difference being a preference for post pubescent children who are 5 years or more younger in age up to age 16.

38 posted on 03/02/2005 10:42:03 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: DBeers
I don't think I have ever heard of one case of lesbian sexual abuse by a foster parent, though of course it must happen. But nearly three times as often as male homosexual abuse (which is in the news all the time)?

Also the general public image is that men commit multiple times as many acts of abuse as women rather than only 75% more.

So either things are really weird in Illinois or there is some error in the figures.

39 posted on 03/02/2005 10:45:41 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded
H = # of acts of sexual abuse that are homosexual = .0.14 F + 0.69 M?

I just noticed your conclusion is flawed in that you assume that the overall homosexual 34% comprised of males and females is distributed the same as the incidence of male and female sexual abuse of foster or subsidized-adoptive children which is incidently not stated as homosexual in nature (could be a composite). So, you can't get there from here...

I would suggest there may be another factor among those that adopt foster or subsidized-adoptive children e.g. delusional jealousy or competition for the male/masculine attention/affection?

40 posted on 03/02/2005 10:51:39 AM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers
“It is likely that these rates apply to the nation’s estimated half million foster children,” he said. “What’s shocking, is that 34% of the molestations were homosexual.”

Actually, I think that rate jives with figures I've seen on molestation in general....

Yeah, APA, keep trying to tell us that homosexuality is "perfectly normal." Perhaps this is why the same APA is now trying to convince themselves that pedophilia is perfectly normal too.
41 posted on 03/02/2005 11:02:35 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: wideminded; scripter

In other words either there are a huge number of abusive lesbian foster mothers, or the figures quoted in the article are wrong.


Anecdotal evidence, but evidence just the same:

An excerpt from "Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA'"

Underestimated problem

How prevalent is pedophilia among women?

Hampton says that he gets an average of more than 200 reports related to female pedophilia on the Internet each day, including websites, message boards and other forums.

It's growing, he says of the presence of female pedophilia on the Web, though sites related to male pedophilia are increasing at about 10 times the rate.

"But I was surprised that this was even an issue," he said of female pedophilia. "It's been since about two years ago that we've found it to be quite prevalent."

Linda Halliday-Sumner, a sexual abuse consultant in Courtenay, B.C., Canada, told WND that when she first began in 1980, about 1.5 percent of her cases were women who abuse minors. Within six years that increased to 11 to 13 percent. In the last 10 years, she said, at least 33 percent of her 325 cases a year have been women.

"It is very underreported," she said of the incidences of abuse by females. "When it is reported it's often dismissed or laughed at as not being serious. Motherhood and apple pie, you know – we don't do that sort of thing."

Much of the opposition has been from women's groups.

"I have been strongly attacked and criticized because I've spoken out about female offenders," she said..."


Within the homosexual community, perhaps many more 'lesbians' than 'gays' apply to be foster or adoptive parents. It would be interesting to know what the actual numbers are.

42 posted on 03/02/2005 11:06:22 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: DBeers
H = # of acts of sexual abuse that are homosexual = .0.14 F + 0.69 M?

I just noticed your conclusion is flawed in that you assume that the overall homosexual 34% comprised of males and females is distributed the same as the incidence of male and female sexual abuse of foster or subsidized-adoptive children which is incidently not stated as homosexual in nature (could be a composite).

No, I didn't make that assumption. Not making that assumption is what my analysis was all about. Note that F and M are not the numbers of male and female foster parents, but the numbers of acts of sexual abuse committed by each of these groups. So the equation you question is correct, based on the figures given in the article.

43 posted on 03/02/2005 11:09:05 AM PST by wideminded
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Funny how the people claiming this is evidence of homosexuals' disproportionate propensity to molest children, don't care to provide any statistics about what percentage of the homes in the overall sample involved a single parent with only same sex foster children.

You're right. However, the big problem revealed here is that the agency is *not checking* to see if they're placing young boys with homosexuals. They're apparently not interested in the "sexual orientation" of prospective foster parents at all. That is PC idiocy of the highest order, if you ask me, and is at the heart of the problem.

Just imagine the outcry if this foster care system was placing young girls with single fathers.

Might not be so bad if they were placing the young girls with the homosexual single fathers, now would it? /sarcasm

In my opinion, the system shouldn't place kids with single parents ... period. Particularly if they're not going to do any kind of lifestyle/background check. This is a system set up to fail the kids it's supposed to be rescuing. Madness of the highest order.
44 posted on 03/02/2005 11:09:05 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: DBeers

I find none of this surprising and fully expect the MSM to IGNORE it.


45 posted on 03/02/2005 11:18:11 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: wideminded

Yup -now that I read it again, you are right. So the conclusions will anger both homosexual activists and radical feminists...


46 posted on 03/02/2005 11:24:10 AM PST by DBeers
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To: clearsight

As far as the media, you're right. But it isn't ONLY the media. This DCFS and many in other states, place the children with homosexuals, saying they can't discriminate. In MA, there is a percentage that must be placed in homosexual homes. The APA is opening stating they should be allowed to adopt. Media is only part of the problem, a big part yes.


47 posted on 03/02/2005 12:57:41 PM PST by gidget7
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"Funny how the people claiming this is evidence of homosexuals' disproportionate propensity to molest children, don't care to provide any statistics about what percentage of the homes in the overall sample involved a single parent with only same sex foster children."




BINGO! They in reality, place the child with a "single" person, knowing full well they have a homosexual partner, or partners. The gay agenda is in full swing in favor of thins. They scream that homosexuals are just as loving and nurturing as hetero. They want the children, to push the family angle, if there are children involved, government is more likely, as are the courts, to allow same sex marriage.

Lest we forget......the open indoctrination in schools.
48 posted on 03/02/2005 1:04:42 PM PST by gidget7
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To: DBeers

"In my opinion -even if one is just a recreational homosexual they suffer from the homosexual disorder..."




And you would be right! Also, if any homosexual sexually abuses a child, they are called a molestor, not a pediphile. Even if it's a child of the same sex, and NEVER called a homosexual if the same is true! They ARE ALL 3!


49 posted on 03/02/2005 1:08:05 PM PST by gidget7
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To: MHGinTN
[HINT: homosexuality is a mental degeneracy, but the liberal societal engineers love to defend it; ever wonder why?]




Absolutely, and it is just one of the questions I would love answered!! As is why, there is more and more of the "ALL GAY ALL THE TIME television??? You are pretty much limited to fox news if you don't want to see it glorified. What the devil is that about. They KNOW kids are watching, and it is deliberate. They are hell bent on getting to the kids, in any and all ways possible!

Once these kids are traumatized, the damage cannot be undone. This country is looking at a future of an even more confused and screwed up generation of adults.
50 posted on 03/02/2005 1:14:39 PM PST by gidget7
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