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Italy mourns at state funeral of 'hero' intelligence officer
Telegraph Online ^ | 07/03/2005 | Unknown

Posted on 03/07/2005 5:10:50 AM PST by Anglo

A state funeral for the Italian intelligence officer who died while saving a journalist just hours after she was released from a month in captivity in Iraq is taking place.

Nicola Calipari died when shielding Giuliana Sgrena from gunfire as their car drove towards an American checkpoint in Iraq.

The coffin of Mr Calipari has lain at tomb of the Unknown Soldier They were on their way to the airport when the American troops opened fire. Mr Calipari died from a single gunshot wound to the head.

About 10,000 Italians have filed past his coffin as it lay in state for the past two days a t Rome's Vittoriano monument. They have hailed Mr Calipari a hero.

The killing has put a strain on the close personal relationship between Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian premier, and George W Bush, the American president. Many Italians have been against the war and the presence of 3,000 Italian troops as part of the US-led coalition.

Journalist Ms Sgrena, writing in the newspaper Corriere della Sera over the weekend said the Americans starting firing a hail of bullets at the car.

But America said the car was speeding towards their checkpoint. Ms Sgrena, who writes for the communist newspaper Il Manifesto, is in hospital in Rome recovering from shrapnel wounds.

She was abducted Feb 4 in Baghdad and released after negotiations between Mr Calipari and the Iraqi insurgents on Friday.

Ms Sgrena said that it was possible they were targeted deliberately because the United States opposes Italy's policy of negotiating with kidnappers.

"I believe, but it's only a hypothesis, that the happy ending to the negotiations must have been irksome," she said. "The Americans are against this type of operation. For them, war is war, human life doesn't count for much."

Ms Sgrena has rejected the US military's account of the shooting, claiming instead that American soldiers gave no warning before they opened fire.

The White House said it was a "horrific accident" and promised a full investigation.

Neither Italian nor US officials gave details about how authorities won Ms Sgrena's release. But Giovanni Alemanno, agriculture minister, was quoted as saying it was "very probable" a ransom was paid.

Italian military officials said two other intelligence agents were wounded in the shooting; US officials said it was only one.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: italy; sgrena; terror; waronterror
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"as their car drove towards an American checkpoint in Iraq"

Well if you don't inform anybody that you're coming, then what the hell do they expect? Driving at speed at checkpoints is a muzzie nutjob tactic. Maybe the Allies should start employing psychics for soldiers, then they can all telepathically talk to each other... Sheesh!

1 posted on 03/07/2005 5:10:50 AM PST by Anglo
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To: Anglo
There were photos of the car on FR yesterday. Supposively, the Italians were claiming that 400 rounds were fired into it. 400 rounds of WHAT?! Paintballs? BB's? Rubber bands? The windshield wasn't even fractured.

I have a theory.... now those of you who have had to man a M-60 from the top of a vehicle think about it. I remember doing entry control at a USAF/RAF base in England just after we bombed Libya in 1986. I "think" that a soldier firing from a high vantage point (as in the case of a mounted gun on a vehicle roof top) bounced rounds off the road in front of the vehicle and sent rounds through the bottom of the car, and into the occupants.

Even if my theory is not true, the MSM simply isn't telling the whole story here.
2 posted on 03/07/2005 5:17:10 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: Anglo
Communist, and Italian terrorist-supporter Giuliana Sgrena has told two opposite, totally conflicting, versions of the event.

First, "'We weren't going very fast, given the circumstances.
It was not a checkpoint, but a patrol that started firing right after lighting up a spotlight.
The firing was not justified by the movement of our automobile.
"

Later, for her Communist Manifeso, she changed the story to: "There was no bright light, no signal."


The only interpretation is that, once again, a Communist terrorist-supporter is exposed as a liar
--and one who arranged and transferred $8,000,000 to terrorists to again help murder more Americans, Iraqis, and brave Italians.
She has been caught in her own lie.

3 posted on 03/07/2005 5:19:30 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Anglo
Here, let me fix that:

"Nicola Calipari died when shielding Giuliana Sgrena from gunfire as their car drove towards sped wrecklessly through an American checkpoint in Iraq."

There ya go. Now it's more accurate.

4 posted on 03/07/2005 5:20:03 AM PST by shezza
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To: shezza

Bump and 'Roger that'.


5 posted on 03/07/2005 5:23:21 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Anglo

Neither Italian nor US officials gave details about how authorities won Ms Sgrena's release.

Did Iraqi officials have anything to add to this? Or, has no one asked them?

6 posted on 03/07/2005 5:23:44 AM PST by elli1
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To: Anglo

The Washington Times' take is at:

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050307-120131-5769r.htm


7 posted on 03/07/2005 5:26:46 AM PST by jackbill
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To: hiredhand

There were photos of the car on FR yesterday. Supposively, the Italians were claiming that 400 rounds were fired into it. 400 rounds of WHAT?! Paintballs? BB's? Rubber bands? The windshield wasn't even fractured.

If the photos you saw were the same ones I saw (an old whitish junker), that car does not match the description of the car the Italians were in (according to early reports of the incident.) The car the Italians were in was described as a dark 'Mercedes.'

8 posted on 03/07/2005 5:28:04 AM PST by elli1
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To: elli1
If the photos you saw were the same ones I saw (an old whitish junker), that car does not match the description of the car the Italians were in (according to early reports of the incident.) The car the Italians were in was described as a dark 'Mercedes.'

Then the photo I saw was NOT the car. I'm going to dig around for a photo of that car. If you find one, can you post it or let me know where it's at? :-) Thanks.
9 posted on 03/07/2005 5:33:02 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: Diogenesis

The front-page story in Florida Today, failed to mention that this thing is a long time Communist who is a sworn enemy of the American People. Further the $1,000,000.00 that was paid to the terrorist for her so called release will buy hundreds of pounds of explosives that will be used to kill Americans and Iraqi.

I do believe she was ever a hostage. It is my humble opinion that she staged this along with the terrorist to get the money to buy more bombs that will kill more Americans.


10 posted on 03/07/2005 5:35:46 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: YOUGOTIT

The Times says it was $6,000,000.

That's a lot of explosives.


11 posted on 03/07/2005 5:39:49 AM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: hiredhand

These are the photos that I saw posted here at FR. This is NOT the car the Italians were in. In fact, I don't think the two photos are even of the same car. (Compare the rear seat passenger side windows.) Also, it was widely reported that the engine block was fired into & I don't see any evidence of that in the photos.

12 posted on 03/07/2005 5:40:30 AM PST by elli1
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To: Anglo
The 'American checkpoint' was about 1000 feet in front of Baghdad airport. They crossed several other checkpoints without problems.

My problem about so called 'American checkpoint' is I never saw one. I knew some Israeli ones. They got proper signs therefore you know how to act. Is every tank on the roadside an 'American checkpoint'? Some guy told us war is over. Then they have to act as police and not as anxious soldiers.
13 posted on 03/07/2005 5:42:05 AM PST by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: elli1
Yep...that's the photo I saw as well. I'm told that the car was a black Mercedes. If THIS car had 400 rounds fired at it, then the guys doing the shooting were blind. We've dumped 300 to 400 rounds into various "things" in the recent past, and targets don't usually end up looking as well as this car. ...even if the shooters all had rifles chambered for the .223 Remington (5.56mm NATO).

I spent a little time trying to find a photo of the real car, and it's amazingly hard to find. I haven't found one yet.
14 posted on 03/07/2005 5:44:18 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: Anglo
None of this passes the smell test.

I hope the truth gets exposed soon and these nasty Communists are seen for what they really are.

15 posted on 03/07/2005 5:44:36 AM PST by Allegra (The Slugs Are Back!)
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To: Anglo
All the second-guessing of what these soldiers did is really making me angry. I don't have any sympathy for anyone who tries to speed through a check-point. It is obvious that whatever plans were made for the "escape", the loose ends were not tied up on the soldiers' end. That is not their fault; it is the fault of the people who planned the operation. Even if you think you have covered all bases, you still proceed with caution and common sense. The decisions of the people in charge in this vehicle are to blame for the shooting.
16 posted on 03/07/2005 5:46:32 AM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Anglo

I have to ask.

Why the quotes around the word hero?


17 posted on 03/07/2005 5:47:16 AM PST by At_a_distance
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To: MHalblaub; MeekOneGOP
...Then they have to act as police and not as anxious soldiers.

Something tells me you've nevery "played" with C4....or simple amonium nitrate and diesel fuel. 1000 feet is ONLY 333.3 yards. At that distance, even with NIJ threat level IV body armour, the blast would be enough to rupture your spleen. It's simply TOO close!

The fact is that the soldiers ARE anxious, and they acted in response to an established pattern.

What would you propose we do to reduce the "anxiousness" of our soldiers?
18 posted on 03/07/2005 5:48:27 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: hiredhand

Already done. I had posted on that thread, so was easy to find the pix. The other thing is that I don't think the military would have the car the Italians were in sitting out in broad daylight. And, I don't see any evidence of blood, guts or brain tissue stuck to the dirty white car, which has pretty obviously not been thru a carwash.


19 posted on 03/07/2005 5:48:43 AM PST by elli1
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To: MHalblaub; MeekOneGOP

I just spent a little time going through your postings, and I think you're a troll.


20 posted on 03/07/2005 5:54:02 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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