Posted on 03/07/2005 4:13:42 PM PST by Libloather
It took over 2 years to prepare the case against Enron .. and now people want INSTANT JUSTICE. Good grief!
Exactly. I've long hoped that after Gonzales took the helm (and he JUST did that) hopefully we'll see action...but they are going to make sure the t's are crossed and i's dotted.
There in an ongoing investigation of Berger (and his collaborators, I'm sure).
Do you want in indictment that's going to result in a solid case and conviction...not just of Berger but his cohorts? Or just a feel good indictment that can't be sustained?
And your evidence to support that claim would be ..????
If I need to provide you evidence that the Enron situation is more complicated than a guy stealing classified documents, this isn't going to be a very fruitful discussion.
Yes. Berger was only stealing the documents for his own use (which would be???). We're not interested one bit in why or for whom he took them. Right?
Make no mistake, this is complex and I prefer to get to the bottom of the scheme rather than take the easy and obvious culprit to task and leave the others involved unaccountable.
You're not in a position to take that superior tone since your argument is the weak one here.
Stealing money .. stealing documents - and .. Berger was visiting the National Archives several times over the years, and I bet they're trying to establish just how much stuff he may have taken .. I dare say an "instant" resolution to what Berger did just doesn't seem probable to me.
And .. if you're not willing to defend your statements - then maybe it's better not to say them. To just make wild claims that the govt isn't doing this or that - demands evidence to support it - no evidence .. sorry!
And I love the comeback - insinuating that I'm the reason the discussion won't be fruitful - when you're the person making the claim ..??
Never once did I ask myself what would these people do when the Clinton years passed. It never occured to me that all of the above were born, and thrive on scandal and corruption. It never once entered my mind that if a decent, good administration was at the helm that all of the above would fight tooth and nail to remain relevant.
It should have, because the sources that I once thought were manna from heaven quickly evolved into carictures of themselves, and this piece is a great example. There is plenty of possible dirt on Berger, but Farah isn't content to write about Berger. No, Farah has to insinuate that Bush and Gonazales are corrupt in Clinton fashion and in Farah's words trying to, "sweep this crime under the rug and score some political points" That little dig at President Bush is IMHO totally uncalled for.
You are correct! You cannot rush into court because the whole thing stinks to high heaven - you have to be maticulous and cross all the t's and dot all the i's.
When you rush to judgment too many mistakes are made and terrible crimes can go unpunished.
I agree the feds may have waited - but it may have been on purpose - knowing Ashcroft was leaving and wanting him to be able to finish up other cases and not having to dive into the Berger issue. I'm glad they waited - and I hope they have such an airtight case that the snake doesn't get off easy.
But .. one issue nobody has thought of - there is a SHORT SUPPLY OF JUDGES - especially in the Appeals courts. We cannot start this process if we are not completely sure we can defend this through the Appeals process. That's crucial.
You really think they stand a chance of getting anyone beyond Berger?
You talk about the fox guarding the henhouse! This man should be in a maximum security penitentiary, not lecturing college students and certainly not advising presidential candidates.
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An indictment beyond Berger may not result, but I do want the case against him ironclad so that a jury will have no choice but to convict. I also would at least like the names of his co-conspirators, etc.
Well .. I'm sure that information will not be released until the trial.
----Well .. I'm sure that information will not be released until the trial.----
Dream on. There will be no trial. You can make book on that.
I like my Berger well done, burnt actually.
----I also would at least like the names of his co-conspirators, etc.---
A) There will be no trial.
B) Everyone knows who they are. So what?
C) "co-conspirators" is redundant. No "co" is needed.
D) The Bush adminstration, for reasons of its own (no stomach for hand-to-hand in the trenches, IMO) will not prosecute criminal acts by Clintonistas.
Wow, you sound like you don't know anything about the case.
Thanks for popping in, though.
Actually, I have wondered about the national security issue with the documents he took, and if Berger would try to cut a deal. First of all - his crimes demand a lot of years behind bars. And .. Berger might be able to give information which would be very useful to the DOJ.
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