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Beijing's ANZUS warning
The Australian ^ | March 08, 2005 | John Kerin

Posted on 03/07/2005 9:58:41 PM PST by Dundee

Beijing's ANZUS warning

CHINA is demanding that the Howard Government review its 50-year-old military pact with the US, warning that the ANZUS alliance could threaten regional stability if Australia were drawn into Sino-US conflict over Taiwan.

Under the ANZUS alliance, Australia is obliged to support the US should China resort to force to resolve its long-running dispute with Taiwan.

But a top Chinese official - Beijing's director-general of North American and Oceanian Affairs, He Yafei - told The Australian that Australia and the US needed to be careful not to invoke the ANZUS alliance against China.

"We all know Taiwan is part of China, and we do not want to see in any way the Taiwan issue become one of the elements that will be taken up by bilateral military alliances, be it Australia-US or Japan-US," he said.

"If there were any move by Australia and the US in terms of that alliance (ANZUS) that is detrimental to peace and stability in Asia, then it (Australia) has to be very careful."

Asked if he were referring to Taiwan, Mr He said "especially so". "It (Taiwan) is our internal affair."

But a spokesman for Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said last night that Australia had no plans to alter any of its commitments. "Neither Australia nor the US have any plans to amend the ANZUS alliance," he said.

But Mr Downer hinted at a policy shift on Taiwan in Beijing last year, when he suggested Australia might not have to go to Taiwan's aid under the terms of ANZUS because a flare-up might not constitute a direct attack on US interests.

He was quickly corrected by Prime Minister John Howard, but the Downer comments raised expectations in Beijing that Australia now considers its more than $20billion-a-year trade relationship with China as too important to sacrifice over Taiwan.

Australian National University Strategic and Defence Studies Centre board chairman Paul Dibb said the warning from Beijing was simply another sign of China's "growing economic strength and predominance in the Asia-Pacific".

"China is gaining confidence and this suggests it wants to throw its weight around a bit," he said yesterday.

But China's objection could not change Australia's policy, which was to make a decision at the time if it came to a conflict in the Taiwan Strait.

"There's little doubt the US would expect Australian support in the event of naked aggression against Taiwan by China," Professor Dibb said.

"If the Taiwanese provoke an attack, then that might be different."

Lowy Institute security analyst Alan Dupont said he could not recall a Chinese official referring directly to the ANZUS alliance.

"It's a reminder that our relationship with China is rather fragile, and that intervention in Taiwan could have negative consequences for our political and economic relationship," he said.

Dr Dupont said there was also concern in Beijing about how trilateral security talks between Australia, the US and Japan might develop in relation to Taiwan.

A Taiwan government spokesman told The Australian that China had no right to attempt to influence the policies of other nations towards Taipei.

"Those countries have taken a position on Taiwan they believe is in the best interests of stability and security in the region," he said.

The comments come after Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing told Tokyo and Washington on Sunday to drop Taiwan from their joint security pact.

He was commenting after Tokyo and Washington named Taiwan as an issue of "strategic" concern during defence talks in Washington.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; geopolitics; taiwan; walmartsupplier
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1 posted on 03/07/2005 9:58:41 PM PST by Dundee
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To: Dundee
"If the Taiwanese provoke an attack, then that might be different."

I've around long enough to know that who provoked it is just a matter of how the government & press choose to spin it.

2 posted on 03/07/2005 10:06:26 PM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Dundee

Yes, Australia is certainly one of our good Pacific Rim allies--probably the best, in courage and faith.


3 posted on 03/07/2005 10:09:22 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Dundee

BTW, there are several countries all around the Rim besides Australia, the USA and Japan involved on our side, should the Chinese Government get more blustery. China is surrounded, and so are the other countries in her forming Axis.


4 posted on 03/07/2005 10:13:29 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: TapTheSource
Ping!
5 posted on 03/07/2005 10:15:52 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Dundee

China is jut getting all it's ducks in a row. The war I fear will happen sooner rather then later.


6 posted on 03/07/2005 10:19:21 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Wow. China attempting to divide...how long 'til they try and conquer?


7 posted on 03/07/2005 10:23:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: Dundee
The Downer administration's foreign minister has already stated that ANZUS is "symbolic".

Australia will not go against China under Downer.

8 posted on 03/07/2005 10:24:34 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Actually his is more worrysome then most China stuff I read. China is now laying out the stakes to our potential allies. This indecates to me that there game plan is entering the end game stage.


9 posted on 03/07/2005 10:30:52 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

It sure looks that way on the surface, doesn't it...


10 posted on 03/07/2005 10:32:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: Dundee
"If the Taiwanese provoke an attack, then that might be different."

Taiwanese provoke an attack? Like we provoked 911.

This is all nonsense.

11 posted on 03/07/2005 10:41:49 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Wow. China attempting to divide...how long 'til they try and conquer?

Can you picture all of the Walmarts in the country empty?
It will be TEOTWAWKI !!!

12 posted on 03/07/2005 10:42:20 PM PST by trickyricky
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To: jpsb; Jeff Head
China is jut getting all it's ducks in a row. The war I fear will happen sooner rather then later.

The timing is interesting. With the Olympics in 2008 they either have to wait until after or move relatively soon. Too close to the games and a boycott ensues causing a major loss of face. Early enough, and they may have a chance to salvage the games, but only due to so much empty bluster in the world, particularly from Old Europe.

Frankly, I continue to hold the belief that some years from now the free world will mightily regret that they aided and abetted communist China gaining strength. I believe nothing good is going to come of this, and it's going to take a very strong argument to convince me otherwise.

Man, I hope I'm wrong. Being right brings very unpleasant thoughts to mind.

Jeff: I know I'm preaching to the choir here :-) Just thought you might want to watch the thread.

13 posted on 03/07/2005 10:48:20 PM PST by mitchbert (Paul Martin is a Spineless Ditherer. That's a Fact. And Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: tallhappy
Please provide a quote where Alexander Downer (who is the Foreign Minister - the administration is headed by the Prime Minister, John Howard) has said that ANZUS is solely symbolic.

ANZUS is not just a symbolic relationship. The ANZUS Treaty was formally invoked after September 11 for the first time in its history and Australia committed troops to war in Afghanistan on the basis of the ANZUS Treaty.

What Alexander Downer has said is that the ANZUS Treaty does not automatically mean Australia would become involved in a war between the United States and China. This is a simple matter of fact clearly evident to anyone who reads the ANZUS Treaty.

The ANZUS Treaty is designed to be invoked only under specific, limited circumstances clearly outlined in the treaty. These do not include a war with China over Taiwan. They would include a war where China attacked US forces starting a war.

The relevant section of ANZUS is as follows:

Each Party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on any of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional processes... an armed attack on any of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the metropolitan territory of any of the Parties, or on the island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific or on its armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.

In other words ANZUS is invoked if the metropolitan territory of Australia or the United States is attacked; if an island territory of Australia or the United States within the Pacific is attacked; or if vessels, aircraft, or armed forces of Australia of the United States within the Pacific are attacked. (NS was initially involved in ANZUS, but the treaty is currently considered suspended as far as New Zealand's part of it is concerned - this did not however prevent New Zealand committing troops to the war in Afghanistan, and from providing some military support in the rebuilding phase of Iraq).

An attack on Taiwan by China, triggering a war between the US and China over Taiwan, does not invoke the ANZUS Treaty (unless that war is, for example, started by China attacking US forces before war is declared by the United States, de facto or de jure.)

The Foreign Minister pointing this out does not mean Australia would not go to war in such a circumstance.

Australia has gone to war alongside the United States because of ANZUS only once - in Afghanistan (because the attacks on New York and Washington DC).

It has however gone to war alongside the United States without ANZUS being relevant three times since the treaty was signed (Vietnam, and both Gulf Wars).

ANZUS is one part of the Australian/US military relationship - an important part, certainly, but it has been used once - even though we've gone to war as allies four times since it was signed.

It's worked the other way too, of course - the US provided massive support to Australian-lead operations in East Timor in 1999, again, without ANZUS being invoked.

All the Foreign Minister pointed out was that ANZUS only applies in certain situations. Historically, these are not the only situations Australia has gone to war alongside the United States.

If a war develops over Taiwan, between the US and China, I would be very surprised if Australia was not involved on the side of the US. Even if we had a Labor government by that time, they'd make, at least, a token commitment.

I do suggest people read the ANZUS treaty if they haven't previously. It's a very short document - takes five minutes to read.

14 posted on 03/07/2005 10:52:47 PM PST by naturalman1975 (Sure, give peace a chance - but si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Dundee

"And so it begins."


15 posted on 03/07/2005 11:14:31 PM PST by Edward Watson
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To: mitchbert

China's economy is booming right now because of trade with us.

That's a big chip to risk in a gamble to take Taiwan. They've got everything to lose.


16 posted on 03/07/2005 11:15:27 PM PST by Mightylucky
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To: Dundee

"If the Taiwanese provoke an attack, then that might be different."
That is completely ridiculous. It's like saying that the mouse provoked the cat to eat it.

This is a very scary report. This is tantamount to a declaration of war already from china. In all probability, Taiwan would have to strike first anyway, if China were massing warships on my coastline, i'd sink them before they had a chance to launch cargo planes full of paratroopers...


17 posted on 03/07/2005 11:15:37 PM PST by djsunzi
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To: naturalman1975
But here's what Downer said: "Well, the ANZUS Treaty is a treaty which, of course, is symbolic of the Australian alliance with the US, but the ANZUS alliance is invoked in the event of one of our two countries, Australia or the US, being attacked. So some other military activity elsewhere in the world, be it in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter, does not automatically invoke the ANZUS Treaty. It is important to remember that we only invoked the ANZUS Treaty once, that is after the events of 9/11, because there was an attack on the territory of the US."

Backpedal all you want, Downer will not stand against the Chinese communists.

He is also wrong about ANZUS only being based on an attack on the US itself.

18 posted on 03/07/2005 11:57:09 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: naturalman1975
The quote above, a direct quote from Downer, is from the Australian, August 19, 2004.
19 posted on 03/07/2005 11:59:25 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

I think the US-Australia alliance is the only one we have besides the US-UK one that is anything but symbolic.


20 posted on 03/08/2005 12:00:34 AM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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