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City of San Diego Orders 29-Foot Cross Removed from Mountainside
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | March 9, 2005 | Matthew T. Hall

Posted on 03/10/2005 5:51:34 AM PST by Crackingham

The Mount Soledad cross must go, the San Diego City Council said yesterday.

The 16-year saga of whether the cross would stay on public land in La Jolla came to an emotional conclusion last night as the council voted 5-3 to reject a last-ditch effort to keep it in place.

The vote capped a six-hour public hearing that attracted 350 people, most of them Christians who urged the council to donate the cross and surrounding land to the federal government so it possibly could remain where it has stood since 1954.

But the cross now must be moved to comply with an injunction forbidding its presence on public land. Federal Judge Gordon Thompson Jr. issued the injunction in 1991, when he ruled that the cross violated the state Constitution's guarantee of separation between church and state. Thompson had left it to the city and the lawyers in the case to resolve the matter.

In the latest court decision in the case, a panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2002 that the constitutional violation still existed when it struck down the city's second attempt to sell the land to a private buyer.

"This is definitely the first page of the final chapter, and I don't expect the final chapter to last another five years," lawyer James McElroy said last night. "I think we are at the end of the line here."

McElroy represents Philip Paulson, one of two atheists who filed the original lawsuit against the city in 1989.

He said attorneys for the city as well as the group that maintains the cross and Paulson will meet soon to finalize plans for when and where to move the cross, which stands 29 feet tall on top of a 5-foot-high base. McElroy said he would call the City Attorney's Office today, and that the cross could be moved within 90 days.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; churchandstate; citycouncil; cross; culturewars; mountsoledad; purge; sandiego
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To: Crackingham

This sort of thing makes me feel uncomfortable in the presence of any of the jackbooted thugs who carry out the orders of the San Diego city council.


21 posted on 03/10/2005 6:03:56 AM PST by muawiyah (gonna' be like with the anthrax thing ~ find a guy, harass him, let the terrorists escape)
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To: Crackingham
Mt. Soledad Memorial Cross in La Jolla

Is this it????

22 posted on 03/10/2005 6:05:04 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Haru Hara Haruko

I'd like to see these gerk-offs try to get the cross of the mount in Rio taken away. The Brazilians would cook them in a pot. We are slowly sinking in this old USA and there seems to be no help available.


23 posted on 03/10/2005 6:05:33 AM PST by Pit1
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To: Monterrosa-24

Such culture destroyers would find themselves resting in the "crater" garbage dump outside San Salvador....like Marxists in the old days.


24 posted on 03/10/2005 6:05:45 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Crackingham
I wonder who owns the property under the big, beautiful cross at Saint Augustine, Florida.

I woke up early one morning and went out and saw that. It made quite an impression on me at age 11 or 12 or so. We were on a family trip to Disney World, and that I remember St. Augustine and Orlando's Sea World more fondly than I remember Disney World. Not that it was a bad time, but these other things were just as fun, with very few lines for anything.

25 posted on 03/10/2005 6:05:46 AM PST by Montfort
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To: OXENinFLA

That's it...


26 posted on 03/10/2005 6:05:56 AM PST by Barney59 (Now there's a man with an open mind - you can feel the breeze from here!)
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To: Pit1

27 posted on 03/10/2005 6:06:01 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: bmwcyle

The Cross was / is a war memorial donated to the city. The warriors who died and are remembered with the Cross had a motto:

God - Honor - Country

Too bad the city council members are atheists, or spineless, makes no real difference. The local Roger Hedgecock Radio Show has been trying to save the cross. It does not appear he is giving up yet. Even though we live in the county, we will be donating to the election campaign of those who oppose the atheists (those who are not in jail).

By the way, there are plenty of local hills with atheist statues on them (nothing).


28 posted on 03/10/2005 6:06:37 AM PST by Rodentking (http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: Crackingham

If you elect slime to office don't be surprised when they act slimy.


29 posted on 03/10/2005 6:07:23 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: OXENinFLA

It was dedicated to War Veteran's back in 1954 I believe...


So not only is it a cross but a city war memorial too...


30 posted on 03/10/2005 6:07:24 AM PST by Barney59 (Now there's a man with an open mind - you can feel the breeze from here!)
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To: Rodentking

I live out there for two years while in the Navy. I have been to it.


31 posted on 03/10/2005 6:07:38 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: odoso

In San Diego, I'm not sure those are minorities....


32 posted on 03/10/2005 6:08:17 AM PST by HeadOn (When force is the only language understood, you had better speak it.)
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To: OXENinFLA

well, I'm praying for a host of angels all around that cross. woe to them who mess with it.


33 posted on 03/10/2005 6:09:03 AM PST by GrannyAnnie (as right as I can be)
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To: Crackingham
Official Seal City of Diego
34 posted on 03/10/2005 6:09:14 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: appalachian_dweller

Bingo.


35 posted on 03/10/2005 6:10:05 AM PST by HeadOn (When force is the only language understood, you had better speak it.)
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To: Crackingham

When California slides into the Pacific, I will have no pity.


36 posted on 03/10/2005 6:14:27 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (NO PRISONERS!!)
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To: Haru Hara Haruko

In other news, San Diego has begun tearing down all the churches throughout the city.


37 posted on 03/10/2005 6:15:38 AM PST by blessu
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To: OXENinFLA

Man that looks beautiful. A cross and a war memorial. Sad that we are letting it get torn down.

I will start telling everyone I know, trying to spread this so maybae we can save it.


38 posted on 03/10/2005 6:15:55 AM PST by Syntyr
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To: appalachian_dweller

James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


39 posted on 03/10/2005 6:16:33 AM PST by clee1 (It takes 17 muscles to frown, 5 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm a very lazy person.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

"I'll tell you why. Deep down in their hearts they KNOW there IS a God. They also KNOW that denying Him is wrong. They hate being wrong. To stop these feelings of guilt at denying their Creator, they want all reminders of their wrong doing removed from their sight..."

I too came to this same conclusion a few years ago, these people know exactly what they are doing -- they are not ignorant.


40 posted on 03/10/2005 6:17:09 AM PST by Duke of Milan
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