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Judge says DCF can't intervene in Terri Schiavo case
Associated Press ^ | March 10, 2005 | Mitch Stacy

Posted on 03/10/2005 12:22:56 PM PST by amdgmary

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- A judge ruled Thursday that the state's social services agency cannot delay the removal of the feeding tube keeping brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive.

The Department of Children & Families had asked for a 60-day delay in the removal of the feeding tube, now scheduled March 18. The agency said it wanted time to investigate allegations of abuse and neglect by the woman's husband, Michael Schiavo.

But Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled that the agency's attempt to get involved at this point was inappropriate and "appears to be brought for the purpose of circumventing the court's final judgment ... in violation of the separation of powers doctrine."

Michael Schiavo's attorney had criticized the last-minute attempt by DCF to get involved, saying that it was engineered by Gov. Jeb Bush and others in the state government who support the plight of her parents who are trying to keep her alive.

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Michael Schiavo has gotten a court order to remove the feeding tube, contending that his wife told him she wouldn't want to be kept alive artificially. A 1990 heart attack cut off oxygen to her brain for five minutes, leaving her in what the court has ruled is a vegetative state with no consciousness. She breathes on her own but depends on a tube in her abdomen for food and water.

But her parents doubt she had those end-of-life wishes and are trying to block removal of the feeding tube.

The judge's ruling was another major blow to Bob and Mary Schindler, who have fought their son-in-law in court for nearly seven years over their daughter's fate. They dispute that she is in a persistent vegetative state, saying she laughs, cries, interacts with them and tries to speak when they visit her at her hospice.

The DCF said it wanted to investigate accusations against Miachel Schiavo - who is her legal guaridan - that included denying his wife some medical treatment and therapy, isolating her in her room with the blinds closed, failing to fix her broken wheelchair and failing to file timely guardianship plans.

In his order, Greer noted that those and many other allegations have been investigated in the past and failed to yield any evidence of abuse and neglect by Michael Schiavo.

Other than trying to appeal judge's decisions that have gone against them this week, the Schindlers will look again to the state Legislature and perhaps the U.S. Congress for help. Both bodies have bills in the works that lawmakers say could save Terri Schiavo's life.

In Tallahassee Wednesday, a House committee approved a bill requiring doctors to provide nutrition and hydration to incapacitated patients who didn't leave an advance directive. It still needs approval from two more committees before facing the full House.

Bush, who has said he would do anything within his power to save Terri Schiavo, supports the bill.

The governor in October 2003 pushed a law through the Legislature authorizing him to resume the woman's artificial feedings six days after the court stopped them. The law subsequently was ruled unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court.

On Tuesday, U.S. Rep. Dave Weldon and U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez, both Florida Republicans, introduced legislation in Washington that could give the Schindlers access to federal courts in the effort to save their daughter's life. Their bill requires that incapacitated people who don't leave advance directives have attorneys appointed to give the case a full review before artificial life support is terminated.


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To: utahagen

The businessperson who, through attorney Gloria Allred, has offered Michael Schiavo a million dollars to walk away will be on Hannity & Colmes tonight, Thursday - March 10, 2005 at 9.00pm ET (GMT-5).


81 posted on 03/10/2005 1:58:25 PM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org & www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: amdgmary

Will you ping me when you watch pretty please? TIA (thanks in advance) AFE


82 posted on 03/10/2005 2:00:22 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: amdgmary
Governor Bush has to step in and end this farce. We need those laws that are in the works, but they will not protect Terri. She needs to be out of the clutches of her guardian and that evilclown of a judge, Greer.

I have underestimated the nobility and character of Jeb Bush once already, so I will hold my tongue and try to have more faith in him than I had in 2003. But doing what's right is sometimes a fearsome thing.

Get her out of there, Governor, and let the chips fall where they may.

83 posted on 03/10/2005 2:00:33 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: ApesForEvolution

Why do you think this is happening. Put aside everything I've said, because I am really curious as to why the courts keep backing this up. Why?


84 posted on 03/10/2005 2:00:37 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
Euthanasia; the Culture of Death Agenda.

Period, paragraph. End of Story.

It's another cataclysmic shift downward in our society.
85 posted on 03/10/2005 2:01:54 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

I don't buy it.


86 posted on 03/10/2005 2:03:57 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
HELL IS REJOICING IN TERRI'S MURDER BY STARVATION BTTT!!!
87 posted on 03/10/2005 2:04:26 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: amdgmary
But Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled that the agency's attempt to get involved at this point was inappropriate and "appears to be brought for the purpose of circumventing the court's final judgment ... in violation of the separation of powers doctrine."

Wouldn't want to err on the side of keeping an innocent woman alive, now, would we, Herr Greer??

88 posted on 03/10/2005 2:04:47 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I hope you're right.


89 posted on 03/10/2005 2:05:18 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Those same thoughts about Terri's wishes have crossed my mind many times.

You have to wonder if the judge isn't influenced by his own fear? Perhaps he projects his own terror of being incapacitated onto Terri.

Perhaps he imagines if he were in her situation he'd rather be dead. Maybe he's supposed to be objective in his decisions but I'll bet he's not the first judge to bring his own emotions to the issue.

If you ever have a case that goes before a judge the first thing your lawyer will tell you is a lot depends on what judge you get. Just as liberal judges rule along liberal lines, and conservatives along conservative lines, you have to believe judges also rule according to their emotions.

This judge seems hell-bent, so to speak, on enforcing Terri's wishes, when as you point out, there's lots of room to wonder what she would have wanted, and the person telling us what she wanted lacks credibility.


90 posted on 03/10/2005 2:06:21 PM PST by Sabatier
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To: Hildy

I don't know what you've said .. and I don't care what you buy.

It's not up for debate. Whatever must be done to save Terri from being murdered will be. If I must fly or drive or walk down there by myself.

Now what were you saying neighbor?


91 posted on 03/10/2005 2:06:27 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Dog Gone
It makes for a very good case politics in general is so corrupt and incompetent it's just beyond comprehension .


It's does not matter if politicians are democrats or republicans.

There are so many devious and truly criminally minded people out there who can concoct countless ways to kill their spouses and FIND LEGAL LOOPHOLES IN WOEFULLY INCOMPENTANT LAWS THAT ARE OUTDATED FOR THE TIMES.

HERE THE WAY IT WOULD GO :

1. TERRI DIES

2. THERE WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION AND SCUMBAG MIKE WOULD BE INDICTED FOR CRIMINIAL CONSPIRACY TO COMMITT INSURANCE FRAUD AND DECEITFUL MANIPULATION OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR PERSONAL GAIN AND COMMITTING MURDER BY JUDICIAL FIAT.

3. WHEN THESE FACTS BECOME KNOWN THE SCHINDLERS WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO SUE THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN A WRONGFUL DEATH SUIT.

IT WOULD NEVER END.

4. THIS WOULD PUT JEB BUSH IN A TERRIBLY EMBARRESSING POSITION OF BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIGGEST WRONGFUL DEATH AWARD THAT WAS EVER AWARDED BY A COURT.

IT COULD COST HIM HIS REELECTION FOR GOVENOR.

5. THE ONLY THING PEOPLE IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE WOULD SAY AFTER SCUMBAG MIKE SCHIAVO WOULD GET AWAY WITH HIS WIFE'S MURDER LEGALLY IS " GEE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT " AND CHANGE THE LAW AFTER THE FACT.

6. FINALLY IF MEANS TO A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE TO INTERPRET SEPARATION OF POWERS TO MEAN THAT JUDICIAL TYRANNY FROM THE BENCH IS IMMUNE FROM THE LEGISLATURE AND THE ENFORCEMENT BRANCH AND THE WILL OF THE PUBLIC THEN THE LAW IS AN ASS.

LIKE STEVEN SEGAL USED TO SAY IN HIS MOVIES " NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW "

THE US CONSTITUTION WOULD BE JUST A WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER.
92 posted on 03/10/2005 2:07:29 PM PST by the libertarian man
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To: amdgmary
I doubt this is Judge Greer's only outrageous decision. And I bet there is plenty of "peculiarities" in his and his family's personal lives.

Anyone have a link to biographical date on this little dictator?

93 posted on 03/10/2005 2:07:32 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Heisenberg
Some things that can be looked into:
*Recall of Judge Greer -- yes I know he's really popular in his country, but what's the harm of trying?
*Compile evidence of misconduct by him, odd behavior, etc. and post it on the Internet. He certainly qualifies for the "Judges Hall of Shame."
*Picket his home, courthouse, church
*File with prorper author ties for an investigation of his conduct
*Try to find personal ties between him and Michael/Felos
96 posted on 03/10/2005 2:19:19 PM PST by Dante3
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To: tiredoflaundry
UN-EFFIN-believable

======

No... it'sUN-EFFIN-believable !!!

97 posted on 03/10/2005 2:23:37 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: GeekDejure

BTTT!


98 posted on 03/10/2005 2:26:34 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Dog Gone

He is not following the law..he is actually breaking several Florida laws regarding euthanasia and the disabled.. Euthanasia is illegal in Florida, as is withholding food and water from the disabled in any case..


99 posted on 03/10/2005 2:28:36 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: RacerF150

Wait your turn in line!


100 posted on 03/10/2005 2:29:46 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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