Posted on 03/11/2005 6:36:52 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE
* "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." - Bush, SOTU Speech
Kind of odd for people to go out of their way to kill scientists who haven't been 'active' since the eighties...
FEBRUARY 13, 2005 : (IRAQ : IRAQI SCIENTIST IS ABDUCTED, IS KILLED DURING RESCUE ATTEMPT) An Iraqi scientist died in a shoot-out between gunmen and police in Al-Karkh as the police tried to rescue him from a gang of kidnappers, Al-Sharqiyah TV reported on 13 February. The Interior Ministry said the gunmen were later arrested and were found to members of a gang specialized in abducting and assassinating Iraqi scientists and university professors. ----- "Scientist dies in shoot-out, gang captured," (Al-Sharqiyah, Baghdad, in Arabic 13 Feb 05) via IRAQI NEWS, 13 Feb 05 via http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:pmmX55CCgjMJ:www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/02/imm-050214-unami.htm+%22iraqi+scientist%22+escape&hl=en
JANUARY 23, 2004 late : (LONDON : DAVID KAY SAYS PART OF IRAQ'S WEAPONS PROGRAM WAS HIDDEN IN SYRIA) David Kay, who recently resigned as leader of a U.S. weapons search team in Iraq, said part of captive president Saddam Hussein's weapons program was hidden in Syria, a report in Britain's Sunday Telegraph newspaper said today. Kay was reported to have said he had uncovered evidence unspecified materials were moved to Syria shortly before last year's U.S. invasion of Iraq.
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons but we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) program," Kay was reported saying in the interview conducted yesterday. "Precisely what went to Syria and what has happened to it is a major issue that needs to be resolved," he added. ... David Kay said Friday that Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons, ...-- "Ex-inspector says Iraq sent 'lot of material'; WMD in Syria: Kay ," AP, Sun, January 25, 2004 (* My note: actually he said Iraq had no LARGE stockpiles of such weapons)
MARCH 2004 : (CHIEF US WEAPONS INSPECTOR CHARLES DUELFER TELLS CONGRESS THAT IRAQ HAD AN ACTIVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AT THE TIME OF THE US INVASION IN MARCH 2003) Saddam Hussein had an active nuclear weapons development program at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003, chief U.S. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer has told Congress.... Duelfer testified that Iraq was "preserving and expanding its knowledge to design and develop nuclear weapons." One Iraqi laboratory "was intentionally focused on research applicable for nuclear weapons development," the top weapons inspector said. ...
...The former U.N. weapons inspector, who replaced David Kay as head of the CIA's Iraq Survey Group last year, said that Saddam was financing his nuclear program by misappropriating funds from the U.N.'s Oil-for-Food Program.
According to Duelfer, Saddam was able to use Oil-for-Food to boost his military procurement budget to $500 million annually &$0150; a 100-fold increase from 1996 to 2003. Most of the recent nuclear research took place at Iraq's notorious al Tuwaitha weapons facility, where Saddam had stockpiled over 500 tons of yellow cake uranium ore since before the first Gulf War.
Iraq was also in talks with North Korea on the possibility of importing a 1,300 km missile system, the ISG chief revealed. Foreign missile experts were working in Iraq in defiance of U.N. sanctions, and had helped Iraq redesign the al-Samoud missile.
Saddam's 500-plus-ton uranium stockpile was being monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the same agency that had responsibility for monitoring North Korea's nuclear program throughout the 1990s. In October 2002 Pyongyang stunned IAEA inspectors with the announcement that it was ready to produce nuclear weapons.
--- "Iraq Survey Chief Duelfer: Saddam Was Developing Nukes," Newsmax, Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 11:37 a.m. EDT, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/5/114239.shtml
MARCH 29, 2004 : (US CONGRESS: CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR DUELFER COMMENTS ON IRAQI SCIENTISTS' FEAR OF TALKING TO AMERICANS) Charles Duelfer, who has replaced Kay as chief weapons inspector, told Congress March 29 that few Iraqi scientists have been willing to talk to Americans. "Many perceive a grave risk in speaking with us," Duelfer said. "On the one hand, there is the fear of prosecution or arrest. On the other, there is fear former regime supporters will exact retribution."
- "And if the WMD are found ... Connecting the dots ," by Jack Kelley, Jewish World Review, April 20, 2004, http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/jkelly.html
MARCH 30, 2004 : (IRAQ SURVEY GROUP : CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR IN IRAQ CHARLES DUELFER BRIEFS CONGRESS, SAYS IRAQ'S DUAL USE FACILITIES AND ONGOING RESEARCH PROGRAMS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED IRAQ TO "PRODUCE BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL AGENTS ON SHORT NOTICE" -- IRAQ ALSO HAD A CRASH PROGRAM TO BUILD NEW CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACILITIES WAS IN EFFECT UP TO MARCH 2003, WHEN THE US INVADED; THE PROGRAM WAS FOR PRODUCTION OF SUCH CHEMICALS AS VX STABILIZING AGENT DCC ) The new chief weapons inspector in Iraq updated two congressional committees behind closed doors on March 30 about U.S. efforts to find weapons of mass destruction (WMD). He cautioned that his interim report was "very limited in scope" and "not a preliminary assessment of findings."
Charles A. Duelfer, who in January replaced David A. Kay as a special adviser to the CIA, reported finding no caches of weapons in Iraq. But in a public statement released by the CIA, he stressed a refocusing of the U.S. effort. "My strategy is to determine the regime's intentions for all the activities" being uncovered by the Iraq Survey Group.
The group's new task, he said, is "to investigate Iraq's WMD programs and to determine the truth about their existence, their extent, their capabilities, and where the regime was headed." Duelfer evinced frustration with the lack of cooperation from Iraqi scientists and engineers.
But he was adamant that "there is more work to be done to gather critical information about the regime, its intentions, and its capabilities, and to assess that information for its meaning."
Duelfer stressed new information developed from recovered documents, debriefings of relevant personnel, and scrutiny of research and production facilities. Iraq's dual-use facilities and ongoing research programs, he contended, would have allowed Iraq "to produce biological and chemical agents on short notice."
He cited "a crash program" to build new chemical production facilities that was in effect up to March 2003, when a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq. A few of these plants were slated to produce dual-use chemicals such as N,N-dicyclohexylcarbodiimide. Before 1991, Duelfer said, Iraq used DCC as a stabilizing agent for the nerve agent VX.-- "IRAQ'S WEAPONS: TOP U.S. INSPECTOR BRIEFS CONGRESS; Lack of cooperation thwarts effort to define suspected arms programs," BY LOIS R. EMBER, Chemical & Engineering News, ISSN 0009-2347, Copyright © 2004, April 1, 2004
MARCH 30, 2004 : (IRAQ SURVEY GROUP : CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR IN IRAQ CHARLES DUELFER BRIEFS CONGRESS, SAYS IRAQ HAD RESEARCH UNDERWAY UP UNTIL THE INVASION OF IRAQ ON BACILLUS THURINGIENSIS AT TUWAITHA) On the biological side, Duelfer cited ongoing research conducted on the biopesticide Bacillus thuringiensis at the Tuwaitha Agricultural & Biological Research Center. This bacterium can also be used as a surrogate for programs developing anthrax as a weapon.-- "IRAQ'S WEAPONS: TOP U.S. INSPECTOR BRIEFS CONGRESS; Lack of cooperation thwarts effort to define suspected arms programs," BY LOIS R. EMBER, Chemical & Engineering News, ISSN 0009-2347, Copyright © 2004, April 1, 2004
Pay no attention to the Iraqis behind the curtain...see, this was in Sudan, not Iraq ....
APRIL 1, 2004 : (DAVID KAY TESTIMONY ABOUT IRAQI NERVE GAS EXPERTS COOPERATION WITH AL QAEDA ) ... David Kay, has testified he believes Iraqi nerve gas experts worked with Osama bin Laden and ... the National Islamic Front in Sudan preparing VX nerve gas. --- "Spinning totally out of control," , 1 Apr 2004 06:40 GMT
APRIL 11, 2004 : (IAEA'S EL BARADEI REPORTS THAT LARGE AMOUNTS OF NUCLEAR-RELATED EQUIPMENT & SMALL NUMBER OF MISSILE ENGINES HAD BEEN SMUGGLED OUT OF IRAQ FOR RECYCLING IN EUROPEAN SCRAPYARDS) Mohammed El Baradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), reported April 11 that large amounts of nuclear-related equipment, some of it contaminated, and a small number of missile engines have been smuggled out of Iraq for recycling in European scrapyards. UN satellite photos have detected "the extensive removal of equipment and, in some instances, removal of entire buildings" from sites subject to UN monitoring, El Baradei said in a letter to Security Council members, a copy of which was obtained by the Washington Post.
El Baradei said it wasn't clear whether this was merely looting, or part of a systematic effort to destroy evidence. "In any event, these activities may have a significant impact on (IAEA's) continuity of knowledge of Iraq's remaining nuclear-related capabilities and raise concern with regards to the proliferation risk associated with dual use material and equipment disappearing to unknown destinations." - "And if the WMD are found ... Connecting the dots ," by Jack Kelley, Jewish World Review, April 20, 2004, http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/jkelly.html
I just read that thread - what an amazing theory! I really think you have something there. After all, Bush is always "misunderestimated".
Please elaborate more on what you mean when you say you think something nasty will hit the fan shortly. I think your referring to WMD's being uncovered in the Bekaa Valley, but just wondering?
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This is obviously a waste of time to continue arguing with you.
I have re-read your numerous posts in this particular thread and have found that you're simply cutting and pasting a few of the same lines. You have continued to ignore this information I've presented, especially the WMD related activity in Al Muthana after desert storm. This as well:
"Have War Critics Even Read the Duelfer Report? The Saddam regime was an imminent threat" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244773/posts "While no facilities were found producing chemical or biological agents on a large scale, many clandestine laboratories operating under the Iraqi Intelligence Services were found to be engaged in small-scale production of chemical nerve agents, sulfur mustard, nitrogen mustard, ricin, aflatoxin, and other unspecified biological agents. These laboratories were also evaluating whether various poisons would change the texture, smell or appearance of foodstuffs. These aspects of the ISG report have been ignored by the pundits and press.... The chemical section reports that the M16 Directorate "had a plan to produce and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades and a plan to bottle sarin and sulfur mustard.... The major threat posed by Iraq, in my opinion, was the support it gave to terrorists in general, and its own terrorist activity.... "
I will re-post more WMD info below my final words to you (piasa didn't ping you with that info).
You have a registration date of Nov 1. Perhaps you are some sort of DU troll?? If not, just a supremely naive individual who can't read. You also seem to have some sort of trust in Saddam, as if he would destroy his own weapons:
"Saddam probably destroyed large segments of these himself shortly after the war in trying to avoid UN Sanctions,"
You ignore the fact that a man who is paying off the UN wouldn't need to destroy these weapons, the oil for food program paid out BILLIONS.
Your final statement:
"If we were to go into the Bekka Valley with force you would simply suggest "they were moved again" - There is no integrity in that type of reasoning -"
Here you set up an argument which is based on how you think I would react. There simply is no integrity in YOUR reasoning. You assume that they wouldn't be found, and as usual you underestimate the enemy (just like you did when you ignorantly said that Saddam would destroy his own weapons to comply with UN sanctions)
Again, you sound like a DU troll trying to pass himself off as a FReeper.
I'm sure you wont pay attention to this information but I'll post it here just for the record:
FEBRUARY 13, 2005 : (IRAQ : IRAQI SCIENTIST IS ABDUCTED, IS KILLED DURING RESCUE ATTEMPT) An Iraqi scientist died in a shoot-out between gunmen and police in Al-Karkh as the police tried to rescue him from a gang of kidnappers, Al-Sharqiyah TV reported on 13 February. The Interior Ministry said the gunmen were later arrested and were found to members of a gang specialized in abducting and assassinating Iraqi scientists and university professors. ----- "Scientist dies in shoot-out, gang captured," (Al-Sharqiyah, Baghdad, in Arabic 13 Feb 05) via IRAQI NEWS, 13 Feb 05 via http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:pmmX55CCgjMJ:www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/02/imm-050214-unami.htm+%22iraqi+scientist%22+escape&hl=en
102 posted on 03/13/2005 4:32:46 AM CST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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2003 : (KAY SAYS SATELLITES SPOTTED SUBSTANTIAL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC GOING FROM IRAQ TO SYRIA JUST PRIOR TO THE MARCH 19, 2003 ATACK ON IRAQ) In his testimony before Congress last year [2003], Mr. Kay said U.S. satellite surveillance showed substantial vehicular traffic going from Iraq to Syria just prior to the U.S.attack on March 19, 2003 attack. While Kay said investigators couldn't be sure the cargo contained weapons of mass destruction, one of his top advisors described the evidence as "unquestionable." -- "King Abdullah: Al Qaeda WMDs Came From Syria," Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, NewsMax.com, 4/17/04
JANUARY 23, 2004 late : (LONDON : DAVID KAY SAYS PART OF IRAQ'S WEAPONS PROGRAM WAS HIDDEN IN SYRIA) David Kay, who recently resigned as leader of a U.S. weapons search team in Iraq, said part of captive president Saddam Hussein's weapons program was hidden in Syria, a report in Britain's Sunday Telegraph newspaper said today. Kay was reported to have said he had uncovered evidence unspecified materials were moved to Syria shortly before last year's U.S. invasion of Iraq.
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons but we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) program," Kay was reported saying in the interview conducted yesterday. "Precisely what went to Syria and what has happened to it is a major issue that needs to be resolved," he added. ... David Kay said Friday that Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons, ...-- "Ex-inspector says Iraq sent 'lot of material'; WMD in Syria: Kay ," AP, Sun, January 25, 2004 (* My note: actually he said Iraq had no LARGE stockpiles of such weapons)
MARCH 2004 : (CHIEF US WEAPONS INSPECTOR CHARLES DUELFER TELLS CONGRESS THAT IRAQ HAD AN ACTIVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AT THE TIME OF THE US INVASION IN MARCH 2003) Saddam Hussein had an active nuclear weapons development program at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003, chief U.S. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer has told Congress.... Duelfer testified that Iraq was "preserving and expanding its knowledge to design and develop nuclear weapons." One Iraqi laboratory "was intentionally focused on research applicable for nuclear weapons development," the top weapons inspector said. ...
...The former U.N. weapons inspector, who replaced David Kay as head of the CIA's Iraq Survey Group last year, said that Saddam was financing his nuclear program by misappropriating funds from the U.N.'s Oil-for-Food Program.
According to Duelfer, Saddam was able to use Oil-for-Food to boost his military procurement budget to $500 million annually &$0150; a 100-fold increase from 1996 to 2003. Most of the recent nuclear research took place at Iraq's notorious al Tuwaitha weapons facility, where Saddam had stockpiled over 500 tons of yellow cake uranium ore since before the first Gulf War.
Iraq was also in talks with North Korea on the possibility of importing a 1,300 km missile system, the ISG chief revealed. Foreign missile experts were working in Iraq in defiance of U.N. sanctions, and had helped Iraq redesign the al-Samoud missile.
Saddam's 500-plus-ton uranium stockpile was being monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the same agency that had responsibility for monitoring North Korea's nuclear program throughout the 1990s. In October 2002 Pyongyang stunned IAEA inspectors with the announcement that it was ready to produce nuclear weapons.
--- "Iraq Survey Chief Duelfer: Saddam Was Developing Nukes," Newsmax, Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 11:37 a.m. EDT, http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/5/114239.shtml
MARCH 29, 2004 : (US CONGRESS: CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR DUELFER COMMENTS ON IRAQI SCIENTISTS' FEAR OF TALKING TO AMERICANS) Charles Duelfer, who has replaced Kay as chief weapons inspector, told Congress March 29 that few Iraqi scientists have been willing to talk to Americans. "Many perceive a grave risk in speaking with us," Duelfer said. "On the one hand, there is the fear of prosecution or arrest. On the other, there is fear former regime supporters will exact retribution."
- "And if the WMD are found ... Connecting the dots ," by Jack Kelley, Jewish World Review, April 20, 2004, http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/jkelly.html
MARCH 30, 2004 : (IRAQ SURVEY GROUP : CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR IN IRAQ CHARLES DUELFER BRIEFS CONGRESS, SAYS IRAQ'S DUAL USE FACILITIES AND ONGOING RESEARCH PROGRAMS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED IRAQ TO "PRODUCE BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL AGENTS ON SHORT NOTICE" -- IRAQ ALSO HAD A CRASH PROGRAM TO BUILD NEW CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACILITIES WAS IN EFFECT UP TO MARCH 2003, WHEN THE US INVADED; THE PROGRAM WAS FOR PRODUCTION OF SUCH CHEMICALS AS VX STABILIZING AGENT DCC ) The new chief weapons inspector in Iraq updated two congressional committees behind closed doors on March 30 about U.S. efforts to find weapons of mass destruction (WMD). He cautioned that his interim report was "very limited in scope" and "not a preliminary assessment of findings."
Charles A. Duelfer, who in January replaced David A. Kay as a special adviser to the CIA, reported finding no caches of weapons in Iraq. But in a public statement released by the CIA, he stressed a refocusing of the U.S. effort. "My strategy is to determine the regime's intentions for all the activities" being uncovered by the Iraq Survey Group.
The group's new task, he said, is "to investigate Iraq's WMD programs and to determine the truth about their existence, their extent, their capabilities, and where the regime was headed." Duelfer evinced frustration with the lack of cooperation from Iraqi scientists and engineers.
But he was adamant that "there is more work to be done to gather critical information about the regime, its intentions, and its capabilities, and to assess that information for its meaning."
Duelfer stressed new information developed from recovered documents, debriefings of relevant personnel, and scrutiny of research and production facilities. Iraq's dual-use facilities and ongoing research programs, he contended, would have allowed Iraq "to produce biological and chemical agents on short notice."
He cited "a crash program" to build new chemical production facilities that was in effect up to March 2003, when a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq. A few of these plants were slated to produce dual-use chemicals such as N,N-dicyclohexylcarbodiimide. Before 1991, Duelfer said, Iraq used DCC as a stabilizing agent for the nerve agent VX.-- "IRAQ'S WEAPONS: TOP U.S. INSPECTOR BRIEFS CONGRESS; Lack of cooperation thwarts effort to define suspected arms programs," BY LOIS R. EMBER, Chemical & Engineering News, ISSN 0009-2347, Copyright © 2004, April 1, 2004
MARCH 30, 2004 : (IRAQ SURVEY GROUP : CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR IN IRAQ CHARLES DUELFER BRIEFS CONGRESS, SAYS IRAQ HAD RESEARCH UNDERWAY UP UNTIL THE INVASION OF IRAQ ON BACILLUS THURINGIENSIS AT TUWAITHA) On the biological side, Duelfer cited ongoing research conducted on the biopesticide Bacillus thuringiensis at the Tuwaitha Agricultural & Biological Research Center. This bacterium can also be used as a surrogate for programs developing anthrax as a weapon.-- "IRAQ'S WEAPONS: TOP U.S. INSPECTOR BRIEFS CONGRESS; Lack of cooperation thwarts effort to define suspected arms programs," BY LOIS R. EMBER, Chemical & Engineering News, ISSN 0009-2347, Copyright © 2004, April 1, 2004
Pay no attention to the Iraqis behind the curtain...see, this was in Sudan, not Iraq ....
APRIL 1, 2004 : (DAVID KAY TESTIMONY ABOUT IRAQI NERVE GAS EXPERTS COOPERATION WITH AL QAEDA ) ... David Kay, has testified he believes Iraqi nerve gas experts worked with Osama bin Laden and ... the National Islamic Front in Sudan preparing VX nerve gas. --- "Spinning totally out of control," , 1 Apr 2004 06:40 GMT
APRIL 11, 2004 : (IAEA'S EL BARADEI REPORTS THAT LARGE AMOUNTS OF NUCLEAR-RELATED EQUIPMENT & SMALL NUMBER OF MISSILE ENGINES HAD BEEN SMUGGLED OUT OF IRAQ FOR RECYCLING IN EUROPEAN SCRAPYARDS) Mohammed El Baradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), reported April 11 that large amounts of nuclear-related equipment, some of it contaminated, and a small number of missile engines have been smuggled out of Iraq for recycling in European scrapyards. UN satellite photos have detected "the extensive removal of equipment and, in some instances, removal of entire buildings" from sites subject to UN monitoring, El Baradei said in a letter to Security Council members, a copy of which was obtained by the Washington Post.
El Baradei said it wasn't clear whether this was merely looting, or part of a systematic effort to destroy evidence. "In any event, these activities may have a significant impact on (IAEA's) continuity of knowledge of Iraq's remaining nuclear-related capabilities and raise concern with regards to the proliferation risk associated with dual use material and equipment disappearing to unknown destinations." - "And if the WMD are found ... Connecting the dots ," by Jack Kelley, Jewish World Review, April 20, 2004, http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/jkelly.html
103 posted on 03/13/2005 5:19:46 AM CST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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I hope you don't think I don't appreciate or find your info credible. I DO.
Ahh - when one can't deal with facts and reality they run to the ad hominem attacks -
The fact is you keep linking to Newsmax and Jewishworldreview (to fine sources at times) but in no way do these links show any proof of an active WMD program going on within Iraq (it talks about the "what if's") -
I have simply stated the reality of the situation we have found on the ground - (if you don't like it, fine, but you can have your own opinion...but not your own facts).
Again, for you to insist that an active WMD program was going on within Iraq is also suggesting GWB, Rumsfeld and Cheney have all lied to America when they have said we have not found the WMD's we expected to fine in Iraq.
Now mind you, they didn't say this right way. It took more than a year for them to come to these honest conclusions (they are honest men). They allowed very complex hex operations to take place via our military. Our military has done an excellent job regarding the hunt for WMD's -
The conclusion has basically been while it doesn't appear an active WMD program was going on....there is no doubt Saddam had all the capabilities to on short notice start up the process of producing them. But did he have the stock piles we assumed he would have (the SLAM DUNK that CIA Director Tenet said)...NO.
I can only say again that removing Saddam was much more than just the WMD equation. The World is safer because he is gone. No one being intellectually honest can deny this.
However one should not get into the business of moving the goal posts when information doesn't turn up like expected. Just as some wish to do with the WMD issue (they aren't in Iraq, they were moved to Syria, they aren't in Syria, they were moved to Iran, they aren't in Iran, they were moved to you name the Country).
This type of reasoning is what Democrats do. Not serious adults.
As for Saddam's late 80's WMD's (which we all are aware of) - we certainly know much of these were destroyed. The UN with U.S. personal took part in destroying these! - We know we destroyed some via the first Gulf War from the air - How much?? - We don't know that - In fact we don't even know how accurate our Intel was on the exact amounts of late 80's WMD Saddam had - It was nothing more than a CIA estimate -
Are you going to sit here and try and say that the CIA Intel on the Middle East (or for that matter even Easter Europe) has been all that accurate....or something to bank on?? - Please.
That's correct - Hans Blix.
He swore Saddam had WMD - and then all of a sudden when he began to see Bush meant business - he suddenly turned tail and gave a scorching report - practically calling us idiots for even thinking Irag had WMD.
This is why the DUers are so convinced that Bush lied about this stuff - but it was actually Hans Blix who lied - claiming there was nothing there.
THIS IS STUNNING: Today alone -
1. It has been revealed that the report that Wilson gave was understated - and what he learned there should have increased our concern for what Iraq was doing. Showing Wilson to be a liar.
2. The NYT finally admits there was WMD; and
3. It's revealed that Hans Blix received $2 mil to falsify the report re their WMD.
I wonder - if Kerry had been elected - would this info been released to the public ..?? I doubt it. What I can't figure out at the moment is why is this stuff all coming out now ..??
"I hope you don't think I don't appreciate or find your info credible. I DO."
Oh, I'm sorry if you got that impression. I know you are on the right side, I was just pinging you with the information because I wanted you to see this DevSix individual and his continual propaganda campaign here at FR.
Whoops, the formatting was off on that one. Let me repaste your FReepmail. You sound like a total fraud....I want everyone to laugh at you:
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Re: Saddam's $2m offer to WMD inspector
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Listen Bud if you can't handle reality that is your problem -
The notion that you keep linking to what others say is of little concern to me.
Have you operated in the ME? - I have - I currently work in the security industry and have been to Iraq twice in the last 18 months.
You don't know what you are talking about.
And your assertion that al Qeade is strong and with sleeper cells in the U.S. is simply off base. They are on the run (you haven't a clue).
While sure they want to hit us again the notion for you to act as if there is a gurantee of sleeper cells here in the state is simply childish foolishness while trying to act "smart" -
Let the operators handle things - You are the "sky is falling" type that we don't need.
What do you think of the possibility that WMD were removed? There have been newspaper articles posted on FR that WMD were moved by Russia post 2003?
As far as sleeper cells go, wasn't a Time magazine article posted on FR just today that Zachari has told sleeper cells in this country to hit soft targets like theaters and schools?
I have no doubt there are sleeper cells in the United States. It would be too much to expect that the FBI, which is pretty incompetent, has found ALL of them. Now, whether they have the stomach to leave their soft lives behind and go to Allah is another story.
However, I do feel we have the jihadists on the run and have dried up their $$$ supply, big time, as Cheney would say. LOL
An excellent book that I can recommend is Jayna Davis's book...The Third Terrorist (I think that's the name). It's about the OKC bombing and how Iraqi agents helped Nichols and Timothy McVeigh. They were ex-Republican Guardsmen who were allowed to live here after Desert Storm as payoff for their agreeing to stand down during that war. James Woolsey, former CIA director, vetted all Davis's work and said "When the world knows the truth about the OKC bombing, they will owe a debt of gratitude to Jayna Davis."
That these ex-Republican guardsman could live here and operate and carry off OKC should worry every American. Prior to the bombing, one of the counter-terrorism guys (I've forgotten his name at the moment) warned Congress that his sources in the ME told him that lily whites would be used. Jihadists would help with the operation and make darned sure it looked like two white guys did it. Alone.
Here is what he said in response to the article I posted by Ion Pacepa (Russia moved Iraqi WMD http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111):
"In fact you continually keep insisting that an ex-KGB supporter is to be believed....more so than our troops on the ground today."
Hmmm. Ekeus was offered $2 million and Blixie wasn't offered a cup of coffee. Is that because Saddam thought Keus was particularly dishonest, or did he think Blixie too incompetent to matter, or did Saddam run out of money, ........or did Blixie find some krona in his pocket?
Well, that MIGHT be a point. It's probably too late for me to be thinking this through coherently, and I think your posts are terrific and on point.
I've looked at the totality of the evidence and between Saddam moving stuff out the back door when the UN showed up at the front door, all the stuff in many of the links you've posted which I won't go through now, the bribery which is mentioned in this article on this thread, etc., I'm confident he had them.
Some people prefer to think he never had them because they won't sleep well at night wondering where they are now! I'm not saying that anyone on this thread is doing that, but the truth is, either the entire world community of intelligence people were badly misled and they weren't there, or they are in another country and that's pretty frightening and dangerous.
I find it hard to believe that every intelligence agency on the planet was wrong.
LOL! That's a fine bit of logic there. Are you a professional BSer or just a gifted amatuer?
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