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Flipped off, driver flips out - Also, Bush-Cheney bumper sticker road rage
St. Petersburg Times ^ | March 12, 2005 | SHANNON COLAVECCHIO-VAN SICKLER

Posted on 03/12/2005 3:37:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

TAMPA - It has been just three days since a Tampa Democrat was arrested amid allegations he used his Nissan to go after a George W. Bush-supporting motorist and her two children.

Now comes the arrest of a Davis Islands businessman in another recent case of road rage. This time, the alleged victim is a 27-year-old woman seven months pregnant with her first child.

Police said politics weren't an issue.

But as in the case from earlier this week, the accused driver told officers he got angry because the woman in the other car made an obscene gesture.

"He said he was "infuriated' by the fact that she would flip him off," said Tampa police Detective Paul Mumford.

Robert D. Weiss, a 55-year-old West Point graduate, met with Mumford on Friday morning.

He admitted his part in the road rage incident and was booked into the county jail on one count each of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and reckless driving, Mumford said. The assault charge is a third-degree felony that carries a maximum prison sentence of five years. Reckless driving is a misdemeanor.

Weiss, who lives with his wife in a $1.5-million home overlooking Hillsborough Bay, posted a $2,250 bail several hours after his arrest and was released. Police say the confrontation between Weiss and Sarah Daniel started at 3 p.m. March 1.

Daniel, who hangs X-rays for a medical office, was leaving Tampa General Hospital. She tried to merge into traffic as she left the Davis Islands ramp going toward Platt Street, but her stomach has grown so big, she couldn't turn back to get a clear view of oncoming traffic.

So she stopped and waited.

"I heard a horn honking," Daniel told reporters. "Someone behind me was very anxious to go."

As soon as she started moving, Weiss swerved around her and stopped his 2003 Dodge minivan in front of her Ford Bronco, she told police.

"He tried to open my door, he told me to roll my window down," Daniel said. "I pointed to my belly and said, "I'm pregnant. I'm not going to pull into traffic when you want me to.'

"I was scared to death, and I probably did (use an obscene gesture)," she said, rubbing her belly as her voice broke. "My main concern was for my baby. My husband and I tried for two years to have this baby."

Daniel said Weiss got back into his minivan, and she thought the encounter was done.

But at Channelside Drive and Franklin Street, he backed his vehicle toward her Bronco, according to police. Mumford said Weiss admitted to putting his car in reverse. Daniel reversed the Bronco to avoid a collision, she said.

"All I could think of was the air bag deploying and me being pregnant," she said. Both drivers proceeded onto Florida Avenue through downtown, Daniel hanging back to avoid another confrontation. But Weiss veered into Daniel's lane three times, forcing her to swerve to avoid a collision, Mumford said. When they got to Scott Street, Weiss turned in the opposite direction from Daniel.

She said she was so terrified, she didn't call police right away. She talked to her husband, who was away on business, and she talked to her lawyer. When she called police, an employee told her to come into the station to file a report. She went in on March 6 and filed a report - which included the other driver's tag number: ARMY 71.

Mumford traced the tag to Weiss and called him. He agreed to come into the station Friday morning.

Weiss has no criminal history, and his driving record is clean. Corporate records show that over the years, he and his wife have owned several companies operated from their Davis Islands home. Among them: Black Knight Ventures Inc., Athena Tire & Waste Oil Recovery, Academy Merchandising Inc. and Wall Street Farm Inc.

"My husband is West Point graduate," Lisa Weiss said Friday morning from their home at 86 Ladoga Ave. "He is a gentle, kind, giving person who just wouldn't harm anybody. I am dumbfounded."

Tuesday, Tampa police arrested 31-year-old Nathan Alan Winkler at his home on Cleveland Street near Hyde Park.

Police say he chased Michelle Fernandez, 35, for miles - cursing at her and pointing at her Bush-Cheney '04 bumper sticker as he held up an anti-Bush sign and tried to run her off the road.

Officers booked him into the county jail on one count of aggravated stalking, a third-degree felony punishable by as much as five years in prison. He posted $2,000 bail and was released early Wednesday.

Meanwhile, sheriff's investigators are sifting through forensic evidence and six dozen phone tips trying to figure out who shot David Neel as he drove south on Interstate 75 on his way to Plant City. The Wesley Chapel security guard died Sunday afternoon when a bullet from a large-caliber handgun pierced the driver's side door of his pickup and hit him in the chest.

With so much violence on Tampa Bay roads these past couple of weeks, Daniel said she now takes precautions when she drives. She locks all her doors, even during the day. And she keeps her cell phone in her cup holder.

Just in case.

"People," she said, "need to be much nicer."

Times researcher Caryn Baird contributed to this report.

GUARDING AGAINST ROAD RAGE Police offer these tips for motorists who encounter aggressive drivers.

Don't provoke an aggressive driver.

If one is menacing you, call 911 on a cell phone.

Try to get the tag number.

If the driver follows you, don't stop until you're at a location where there are lots of people.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: roadrage
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1 posted on 03/12/2005 3:37:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"My husband is West Point graduate," Lisa Weiss said Friday morning from their home at 86 Ladoga Ave. "He is a gentle, kind, giving person who just wouldn't harm anybody. I am dumbfounded."

--> Typical statement of an aggressors family: CYA, or covering the aggressor's A$$ in this case.


2 posted on 03/12/2005 3:48:00 AM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They can throw his butt into jail right next to the leftie from the other day. They can then learn to debate things civily while they do their time.

I make note that in BOTH these cases it was MEN harrassing WOMEN AND CHILDREN. I wonder how these brave fellows would have felt if they'd killed someone due to their ill tempers.


3 posted on 03/12/2005 3:49:34 AM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

What would make a man chase a pregnant woman with children for 35 miles! That shows some pretty poor judgement on his part! You wonder what he could be capable of next?


4 posted on 03/12/2005 3:52:54 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: jocon307

I wonder how they would have felt if the lady in question had stuck a gun in his face when he came back to her car in a threatening manner , and shot his stupid ass. Isnt Fla. a carry state?

Dems are losing it they need mental help, Maybe a law should be passed making Floriduh dems go on Ritalin.


5 posted on 03/12/2005 3:57:15 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Road rage is increasing because of congestion of our outdated raod system.

Freeways must be automated you should not have control of your car on a congested road a computer can do a much better job of eeping traffic slow moving.


BUMP

6 posted on 03/12/2005 3:57:25 AM PST by tm22721
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"Daniel, who hangs X-rays for a medical office, was leaving Tampa General Hospital. She tried to merge into traffic as she left the Davis Islands ramp going toward Platt Street, but her stomach has grown so big, she couldn't turn back to get a clear view of oncoming traffic."

Well then, I guess, uh..., does this show good judgement on her part?

7 posted on 03/12/2005 3:59:15 AM PST by battlegearboat
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To: battlegearboat

Her caution gave the man license to terrorize her?


8 posted on 03/12/2005 4:05:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here on the California freeways we have several speed limits. There is the one posted by the State; then the Contractor speed limit and the Hmong speed limit, the let's put on makeup speed limit. Just try to obey the one posted by the state and it is "road rage fun time".
9 posted on 03/12/2005 4:06:20 AM PST by sierrahome (Do you know the difference between bugger's and broccoli? Most kids won't eat Broccoli)
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To: jocon307; Boardwalk
I hope these women have restraining orders out against these unstable assailants.

For them to be out on a couple of grand bail is mind numbing.
10 posted on 03/12/2005 4:07:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tm22721
Road rage is increasing because of congestion of our outdated raod system.

I think you are beind sarcastic but in all seriousness congestion isn't the problem. It's our society today. It is a lack of respect for others that causes them to act this way. If the had respect for others they wouldn't think that everyone is a target. Everyone thinks they have the right of way and there is no longer any common courtesy.

11 posted on 03/12/2005 4:08:39 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I suspect this guy needs a blood screen. I wouldn't be surprised to find meth or coke.


12 posted on 03/12/2005 4:09:11 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is why these are the sticker of choice on our cars:

I won't discuss the mixed rounds of choice.

13 posted on 03/12/2005 4:09:13 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: sierrahome
I live in Tampa Bay. If your on a road that has a posted speed limit of 55, that means you have to go 70mph in the slow lane! Scary
14 posted on 03/12/2005 4:10:34 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (My quaker parrot can talk, can Your honor student fly?)
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To: raybbr

"Everyone thinks they have the right of way and there is no longer any common courtesy."

Bingo! Around here in morning rush hour traffic (not highway) people will swerve into the oncoming traffic lanes, driving like maniacs, and all they accomplish is being one car lenghth ahead of where they were.

Plus, our roads are in such bad shape you basically need a hummer, or a tank, to drive from Bayonne to Jersey City. HEY NEW JERSEY - PAVE THE STREETS!

I'm just so fed up.


15 posted on 03/12/2005 4:16:12 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Of course the guy was wrong, but..........if the pregnant woman was not able to drive at 100% capacity because of her condition should she have been driving in the first place?
Stopping on the freeway is pretty danged dangerous in itself.


16 posted on 03/12/2005 4:20:12 AM PST by repinwi
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No way do I condone his behavior.

But I wouldn't call her inability to surveil oncoming traffic, due to her physical condition, as using the best judgement.

In high school in the sixties, I had a mother and her one week old baby make an illegal left turn in front of my oncoming vehicle and a violent crash where (no seatbelts) mother and child were badly injured.

So many people these days see it as their right to multitask behind the wheel and to blatently disregard or forget altogether the rules in the driver's handbook.

That being said, the guy's a jerk.

17 posted on 03/12/2005 4:21:56 AM PST by battlegearboat
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To: repinwi

100% capacity?

I'd like to see one of those drivers.


18 posted on 03/12/2005 4:27:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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20 posted on 03/12/2005 4:28:40 AM PST by philo ("We not only sing , but we can dance just as good as we walk." Archie Bell)
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