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Deceit, Thy Name Is Islamism
Isralert.com source ^ | Beth Goodtree

Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado

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41 posted on 03/14/2005 6:35:18 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: AmericanVictory

Truth is not a Western concept. Truth is a G-dly concept. The west adopts Judeo-Christianity as its type of society, with its attendant civility, fairness, and freedom. This foundation is laid out in the Torah, whose primary value is truth.

Islam is not a religion, itis a ruse,and an excuse for conquering. There is no positive religious value contained within it, and it seeks to use one "allah" as a pretext for all evil they perpetrate without apology.


42 posted on 03/14/2005 6:51:04 AM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: Hudobna

Islam is a dangerous cult and should be banned from civilized societies.

That would be a great start.


43 posted on 03/14/2005 6:59:13 AM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: jan in Colorado
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44 posted on 03/14/2005 7:06:33 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: BayouCoyote
Islam is a dangerous cult and should be banned from civilized societies. That would be a great start.

The tyranny that makes us feel morally superior is the tyranny we embrace.

45 posted on 03/14/2005 7:08:24 AM PST by frgoff
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To: backhoe

In time, TROP will meet the fate of Carthage. "Cartago delenda est".


46 posted on 03/14/2005 7:08:46 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: jan in Colorado

ISLAM, in it's endless quest for World Domination, condones lying and deception. As long as "The Men with the Swords (Weapons)" are satisfied, a Muslim's Islamic responsibilities are done.

ISLAM is all about the Power of the weapon. Just like all the other World Domination cults that the world has experienced, ISLAM should be wiped out.

There was no compromise with Nazism.


47 posted on 03/14/2005 7:44:26 AM PST by jolie560
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To: Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; ariamne; Former Dodger; appalachian_dweller; TexasCowboy; swordfish71; ...
Via Jihadwatch.Org:

The Stages of Jihad by Wolfgang Bruno.

(Excerpt)

When Dutch Islam critic Theo van Gogh was murdered, comments were made that “jihad had arrived” in the Netherlands. Physical fighting is indeed the primary meaning of the concept of jihad, and should be undertaken if one is able. Jihad as Holy War is the geographical expansion of Islamic rule by force of arms. It does not always mean killing those who are conquered, but it does mean the acknowledgment of Islam's supremacy. However, if that is not yet possible, then jihad should be with one's tongue, by speaking out. Simply put, jihad is anything undertaken to advance the spread of Islam, peaceful or not. Which means that jihad is always present, even if there should be an absence of violence. Da’wah, missionary work and calling to Islam, is also part of jihad, and is utilized until such a time that physical jihad is made possible through greater numbers. Until then, it is important to make sure that non-Muslims are not fully aware of the real Islamic agenda. This is where deception comes in.

Islam allows deception in war in order to attain victory, and Muhammad himself said "War is deceit". "Taqiyya", with origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, is deliberate dissimulation to protect Islam. “Kitman” consists in telling only a part of the truth. A good example of the use of “kitman” is when a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “an inner, spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is based on one single, “weak” hadith of doubtful authenticity. There are nearly 200 references to jihad in the most standard collection of hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari, and all assume that jihad means warfare. Muhammad himself gave the best example of kitman in the early days of Islam, when the number of Muslims was still small. The command to fight the infidels openly was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient.

Allah changed his instructions over time according to this principle. A good example is the case of alcohol consumption. Early on, the consumption of alcohol was permitted (2:219), then restricted (4:43) and eventually banned (5:90). There is no disagreement among Muslims that the latter revelation cancels out the earlier ones (2:106), rendering them invalid, and alcohol is thus prohibited. The Koran includes many such abrogated verses. The early Koran of the Mecca period presented religious tolerance as a divine command simply because Muslims had not yet acquired the physical power to compel conversion. But when Islam became more powerful after the flight to
Medina, the "verses of the sword" were conveniently revealed to the Prophet, verses that sanction and indeed command violence, historically Islam's preferred method of expansion.

Calls to "fight and slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (9:5), "smite at their necks" (47:4), "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (9:29), "Fight until the religion be all of it Allah's" (8:39) or "announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve" (9:3) all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). Note that sura 9 was the last or second last chapter to be revealed to Muhammad. It is also the most aggressive and intolerant sura in the Koran, replacing all the peaceful ones made at times of Muslim weakness. Offensive jihad, attacking, is now fully permissible in Sunni Islam.

48 posted on 03/14/2005 8:10:39 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: frgoff

What's your point?


49 posted on 03/14/2005 8:19:48 AM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: Zivasmate

What's your point?

I'm stumped too.


50 posted on 03/14/2005 8:25:38 AM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: SheLion

BTTT!


51 posted on 03/14/2005 8:25:55 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Zivasmate; frgoff

"What's your point?


Camelcakes doesn't have a point, just platitudes.


52 posted on 03/14/2005 8:28:34 AM PST by Bennett46
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To: Zivasmate; BayouCoyote; Bennett46

Don't worry... I don't get it either.


53 posted on 03/14/2005 8:34:30 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

I guess he just had one handy....he's got his nose burried in his trusty 'book of platitudes'.

He'll be back with another.


54 posted on 03/14/2005 8:47:56 AM PST by Bennett46
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
did you see yesterday the "60 Minutes" story about Theo Van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Not on tough on the radicals as it should've been, but at least they showed it

Sorry I didn't see it John. I have refused to watch anything on CBS for years, but I would have made an exception for that story. Interesting, it was the murder of Theo Van Gogh that first brought me to the Islamic threads on FR.

55 posted on 03/14/2005 9:00:56 AM PST by jan in Colorado (The ACLU and CAIR ...Enemies from within!)
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To: jan in Colorado

I have a copy of the letter that was pinned to Theo's chest with a steakknife on my drive here at work. It really lets you inside the mindset of those freaks who would have us converted if given the chance.

Take care,
BC


56 posted on 03/14/2005 9:05:56 AM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: jan in Colorado; Land_of_Lincoln_John
Via LGF:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali Online

Video excerpts of Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s appearance on CBS News 60 Minutes are now online at this page: Slaughter And Submission.

57 posted on 03/14/2005 9:17:25 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Hudobna
Self appointed Imams, empowered to lie, who can issue murderous fatwas, interpreting a religion written in a vague language, assembled in conflicting helter-skelter verses.

Discussions are useless. Islam is a dangerous cult and should be banned from civilized societies.

I agree with your sentiments,except there is nothing vague about the language.

Here is my take on Islam from an earlier FR post:

I have read all 116 or so of the Koran chapters. I don't mean I read it like a novel. You put yourself in a Muslims place.

There is one God Allah, period. Muhammed is his prophet, period. What does Allah want of me if anything? Does HE want me to spend more time fishing or what?

When you finish the Koran you should know in no uncertain terms what HE wants.

I have the same take as the Wahabbis do on the religion. Don't befriend non - Muslims, subdue or kill non-believers, and since they are offensive to HIM you can deceive the Infidel in anyway you see fit, if it will further Islam.

We are in a religious war and only a lethal dose of poison will stop Islam. And that poison is western culture, American style.

But the Wahabbis realize this and it is why they don't want the culture changed and why they resist so much. - Tom

58 posted on 03/14/2005 9:30:19 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Bennett46; swordfish71; All
>>>>"Maybe it's time for some screaming."

>>>FReepers do not seem to want to touch this subject anymore....I guess this is a good barometer of what how the general public is feeling.<<<

It's definitely time for educating the general public and we can't rely on the MSM or even our politicians to do it.
As for FReepers not wanting to touch this subject...I'm afraid after several of our comrades have been permanently banned from FR for expressing their passion on this issue, many others are choosing to remain silent.

There is a way to educate and speak the truth without getting banned! We can't let fear cause us to be silent...as that is what Islam does. Submission by fear and terror.

59 posted on 03/14/2005 9:30:44 AM PST by jan in Colorado (The ACLU and CAIR ...Enemies from within!)
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To: USF

Thanks so much USF for the "60 Minutes" link, as well as all the other links you have added to this thread.


60 posted on 03/14/2005 9:34:15 AM PST by jan in Colorado (The ACLU and CAIR ...Enemies from within!)
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