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Who really won the Ann Coulter-Peter Beinart debate at Tufts University?
The Tufts Daily ^ | March 14, 2005 | Ashley Samelson

Posted on 03/14/2005 7:53:10 PM PST by rface

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To: rface
They breed hate and further solidify political schisms. They make people leftists cry out for censorship

She tore down her poster of Che too because she was so mad.
21 posted on 03/14/2005 8:02:51 PM PST by John Lenin (Abortion has created lots of atheists because no one wants to go to hell)
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To: rface
Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.

This tells me everything I need to know.

22 posted on 03/14/2005 8:04:21 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: rface

Objective? I thought you were to debate the merits of your position, not be objective like perhaps and audience member could be.

The author if this piece is kind of pathetic.


23 posted on 03/14/2005 8:04:37 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FairOpinion
Did you see her closing sentences?

"From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist."

I think we know what she really was and is: a Progressive, which is really the codeword for a liberal who does not have the balls to embrace the 'liberal' label.

24 posted on 03/14/2005 8:06:05 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: rface
I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

It's highly unlikely that Ashley is or ever was a conservative

Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.

Well, she's young yet so there's still hope.

25 posted on 03/14/2005 8:06:38 PM PST by jla
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To: rface
Consider me an objectivist.

Objective people can disagree with each other.

26 posted on 03/14/2005 8:06:48 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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To: motzman
Agreed. The GOP is far from perfect, but I find these people annoying as hell. Its kind of a "don't blame me, I'm neither dem or republican" pose that is just so lame.

No one here is perfectly happy with their party. Sulking in the comfortable corner of a political philosophy that has no participation in the current political sphere is the fashionably cool pose of college rebels. But I don't have to respect it as being anything but what it is: A cop-out.

(Pause while the "Oh yeah, well the Republicans were a minoriity party once!" fussilade falls)

Objectivism is a fine idea, the right's socialism, really, where all those idealists who won't accept anything but an unreachable perfection can join and feel elite and above it all. But it's no more reality than basing one's view of the world on Star Trek utopian dreams would be. I live in the real world, and have no time for those who don't and expect everyone to fawn over them for it.

28 posted on 03/14/2005 8:07:42 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Rs move icebergs out of the way; Ds throw deck chairs off the Titanic.)
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To: rface

"Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major."

Seems she wishy-washy in more ways than one!


29 posted on 03/14/2005 8:08:45 PM PST by torchthemummy ("Terrorism has less to do with economic poverty than with political poverty." - Jane Novak)
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To: dcuddeback

I think we are experiencing a Ward Churchill moment with this faker.


30 posted on 03/14/2005 8:08:45 PM PST by John Lenin (Abortion has created lots of atheists because no one wants to go to hell)
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To: stylin19a
scratchin my head...isn't it subjective ?

Don't confuse her.

31 posted on 03/14/2005 8:09:38 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: rface

Well, people have already pointed out that it's extremely doubtful that she had Bush/Cheney stickers to tear off, and that she's a flake who can't make up her mind.

I'm not sure if I hold the name "Ashley" against her, because I know several nice girls named Ashley. But it's tempting.


32 posted on 03/14/2005 8:10:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Darkwolf377

"Consider me an objectivist."

She likes speakers that repetitively drone on for 80 pages.


34 posted on 03/14/2005 8:11:06 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: rface
throw off self-righteous mantles of partisanship and to work instead towards a more progressive dialogue.

This is pretty deluded even for a college sophomore. I find it difficult to believe she was genuinely conservative and because of this "debate" abandoned her beliefs.

When she has lived a little longer and has more experience she may see that whenever conservatives try to "work instead towards a more progressive dialogue" they get back stabbed by the liberals. Case in point, Teddy (aka The Swimmer) Kennedy and the "education" bill. Bush foolishly lets him write it and then right after its passage, The Swimmer goes out and trashes Bush and the bill. And nobody in the MSM calls him on it.

One does not have a "dialog" with the left. One defeats them in the arena of ideas, at the ballot box and anywhere else necessary.

Simply put, it is redundant to refer to politics as partisan. And naive to think that it should be anything else.

35 posted on 03/14/2005 8:11:12 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's.....you weren't really there.)
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To: rface
"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative."

Later, tard...
36 posted on 03/14/2005 8:11:18 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: rface

Ann is old enough to be my mom, I think, but geez, she's so hot.


37 posted on 03/14/2005 8:13:35 PM PST by Tiemieshooz
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To: rface

"The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity."

I wonder how many best selling books Ashley Sampson has written.

We won't have to worry about partisanship too much longer since the Dimocrat Party is in an accelerating death spiral, should impact the ground in about 6 - 8 months. We'll be a much better country and another political organization will fill the void.


38 posted on 03/14/2005 8:13:55 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: A CA Guy

OK - so I am gullible and I want to give a pretty name the benefit of the doubt.....so now every single post has stated that Ashley Samelson is about as conservative as ..... hmmmm......Hillary Clinton? Sheeeesh. I am a softy


39 posted on 03/14/2005 8:14:02 PM PST by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - Ashland, Missouri)
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To: rface
I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door

Good news is she left the Kerry/Edwards sticker on her Bumper! Ann Rox!!

Pray for W and Our Troops

40 posted on 03/14/2005 8:15:32 PM PST by bray (Iraq has political Freedom, now Pray for Religious Freedom)
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