US House cuts back military aid for Poland

poland.pl ^ | 2005-03-17

[Grzegorz 246]

It's really a hard time for us, I'm going to cry tomorrow between 6:35 AM and 6:37 AM, maybe also a few minutes around the noon.

[lizol]

No.

If it was we wouldn't be in Iraq, or we would be home long time ago.
Poland is a relativley poor country. In fact - let's be honest - we have serious problems with affording the Iraqi operation. Military equipment sent from Poland to Iraq will stay there because of being completely used up.

It was President Bush who offered that money - not only for Poland but also for other countries of "New Europe" - to strenghten their military forces, to make them more able to take a part in operations like in Iraq. He told in something like a month ago, whereas we've been in Iraq for almost 2 years.

Yes, you must be right saying "warm Polish-American relationship solely based on cash". (sarcasm)

[lizol]

So why the hell is Bush promising something he can't (or is not going to) fulfil.
It wouldn't be a problem if he had not offered it. But now?

We have a saying in Poland for such a situation:
"Kto daje i odbiera,
ten sie w piekle poniewiera".

Which means - more or less: the one who gives something just to take it back is being malterated in hell.

[lizol]

"malterated" = "maltreated"

[billbears]

He shouldn't have promised it in the first place. And I don't know why exactly he rescinded the offer. The reasons he did were probably not for the correct reason. And I'm sorry Poland was on the receiving end of this but I'm also quite glad that the money was not sent. Don't get me wrong, nothing against Poland, probably a very beautiful country. But foreign aid should not go there nor should it be sent to any other nation state.

[lizol]

But he has promised.
Do you think Poland deserved being treated like a hungry dog - you show him a piece of sausage, getting it closer and closer to his nose ..... mmmm, tasty, isn't, it's for you, you'll have it soon ..... mmmm ......... and you suddenly take it back - no way, you won't have it

If I was such a dog I'd get really p**sed off. And I wouldn't really like this guy.

[Polak z Polski]

Tak samo jak w 1939 i 1945.
Musimy sami na siebie liczyc.

Zamiast sie pchac do UE albo sie tak kolegowac z Amerika, mysmy mieli sie zwiazac z Litwa, z Wegrami, i z Ukraina, a moze jeszcze z Czechami i z Slowacja.

[billbears]

This is the point, he had no Constitutional basis to promise. Mind you, Presidents in this nation of states look at the Constitution as if it's some sort of suggested guideline. But anytime a President actually moves back to what he was supposed to be doing, even if it's after making a promise to a foreign power, as a conservative I have to applaud his decision

[BykrBayb]

Your profile page is impressive. Everybody with broadband should take a look.

[Eurotwit]

Good morning,

First of all, I am sorry if I offended either of you last night.

I was tired and stupid and I appologize.

It is clearly not a good to thing to go back on a promise, and it frankly suprises me if President Bush does that. And it will be dissapointing. One of the reasons I admire the President, is that he seems to be a man that means what he says and all that.

Hopefully it will all work out.

Cheers,

Euro.

[lizol]

Probably if I were an American I would too.
But try to think how "great" such a move will be for Ameriacn image in Poland.

Are you really overloaded with European allies to annoy one of the most staunchy one?

[lizol]

OK, no offence.

[Eurotwit]

Thanks :-)

I am personally greatful to Poland. If I remember it correctly you almost fought on our side (Norway) in the negotiations about fish export quotas against the other EU countries.

Perhaps, that's why we are buying naval ships from Stettin.

In any case, thanks to Poland for that.

Cheers.

[Grzegorz 246]

"First of all, I am sorry if I offended either of you last night."

It's not enough, give us $100 million.

[Grzegorz 246]

Thanks.

[BykrBayb]

You're welcome.

btw, If I had $100 million right now, you'd have it tomorrow.

[Grzegorz 246]

Thanks, but in my opinion we shouldn't take any money from US government even If they offered us some aid.

[Eurotwit]

It's not enough, give us $100 million.

Done.

Norway transfers 137 million US dollars to Poland every year.

Cheers.

[Grzegorz 246]

OK, we are waiting. Thanks.

[billbears]

But try to think how "great" such a move will be for Ameriacn image in Poland.

Sorry but I don't care how 'great' the image it may create of these United States in Poland. It is not in our Constitution to give away money uselessly. Just because Presidents did it most of the 20th century makes it no more right either.

Are you really overloaded with European allies to annoy one of the most staunchy one?

Again, I would suggest that you look at Washington's Farewell Address of 1796. That was the standard policy then and should not have changed. That was what the Framers of our Constitution intended