US House slams Anti-Secession Law [US Policy on China.]

Taipei Times ^ | 18MAR05 | Charles Snyder

[familyop]

...another thread of note.

Russia army chief: against any form of "Taiwan Independence" activities
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1365243/posts

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Wow! Only four opposed? No red ties? No red coats?

[Righty_McRight]

Let me guess, Bernie Sanders voted no?

[PzLdr]

Funny, they didn't oppose anti - secession in those numbers in 1861

[CrimsonStater]

Dang, I thought Congress was giving an ultamatum to those uppity South Carolinians who keep threatening to leave the Union over that new tariff..

...Hey, it's still 1830 isn't it?? </sarcasm>

[JohnnyZ]

The Communist Four:

McCollum (MN)
McDermott
Oberstar
Paul

All are Democrats except Ron Paul, who is insane.

[HaveGunWillTravel]

Taiwan didn't leave China. Taiwan is where the legitimate government of China ran to when the communist revolution ocurred. Also, Taiwan was liberated from the Japanese by the United States and given to the Chinese government, (now in exile in Taiwan), to "administer". Technically, it is still US territory. The notion that Taiwan might secede is silly when it is the communist government of China which is currently in a state of mutiny while it occupies the mainland by force of tyranny.

The taiwan issue is in no way analgous to the attempted secession of the southern states.

[iopscusa]

Thanks for the info....I need to update my knowledge of the history of the Free China....things seem to be cookin' in that sphere. Time to put the hammer on the Red takeover of the Mainland China...

[PzLdr]

You and I may well have a disagreement about the legitimacy of the Kuomintang in 1949. And the fact Chiang Kai Shek survived as Generalissimo has less to do with his legitimacy than the 7th Fleet. I don't recall his rule, or his son's was all that popular with the Taiwanese, either.

Taiwan was a province, or some political subdivision of China long before Chiang washed up on it's shore, so the analogy ain't bad. What would have thought if the Brits and Frogs and taken the U.S position espoused now in 1861?

Does that mean I want to turn Taiwan over to the Chinese? No. But unless it's an independent country (You do remember Nixon's trip to China, and our subsequent recognition of that government?), the issue is the same it was in 1861 (perhaps more so. There was a substantial body of opinion in the antebellum US that held secession was allowed. Don't know if the Chinese have ever held that opinion-before or after Mao)

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Federal power is a lot stronger when it's the Supreme Sandwich Court, or the DNC. But maybe another rabbit will come out of congress's hat. Gingrich thinks it could result in contempt. FReegards....

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I know a state judge voted no.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Erg. Wrong thread. Sorry about that.

[CBart95]

If one reads and understands the #8 posting here, it makes all the "turmoil" appear like a Peter Sellers comedy skit.
Our elected officials have been gulled into acting like apes over this ridiculous "issue". The rest of us are guilty by association.

[Righty_McRight]

Is McDermott the one that claimed to be a frontline soldier during Vietnam, but it turned out he was stateside the whole time?

[familyop]

"Our elected officials have been gulled into acting like apes over this ridiculous "issue". The rest of us are guilty by association."

Along with rhetoric we've seen in some publications, I've been called something similar to that by many.   ;-)

[CBart95]

The guilty "Grog" barks first.
Dig those "abs"! Great "before" shot for a "6-pak Abs" commercial.

[HaveGunWillTravel]

I suppose that the two examples are analgous in that both are cases of people trying to escape tyranny and be left alone on the land they live on. In both cases, no one probably has more claim to the land than the people living on it. I agree that people are naturally free and that any attempt to escape tyranny is legitimate. You are right that the US is being hypocritical to the extent that it could be said to be contradicting its position toward the southern states attempt to secede. I agree that Lincoln was a tyrant. He also has a few things in his favor. How's that?

[COEXERJ145]

...except Ron Paul, who is insane.

You got that right.

[HaveGunWillTravel]

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